[Bosse'sBoss]

I will like to hear soon of H2H lap times between the Shelby GT500 VS the ZL1. It would be an amazing race.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by MatthewAMEL

Haven't see any. However, the GY SC3R's on the ZLE are a 100TW tire.

Get some heat into them and they stick like a Hoosier. And the ZLE has a 325mm wide rear vs the 305 on the ZL1.

The ZLE will have an advantage (if in tire only) over the standard SC3's on the ZL1.

I have not witnessed any ZL1LEs run. But I can say this about drag racing on track oriented tires. They tend to get greasy whwn burning out and have very stiff sidewalls. So they do not help with weight tranfer at all like a taller tire can. Little or no advantage there. Alsoi think the ZL1LEs springs might be a bit stiffer. So if anything I think the Z 1LEs will be a bit slower than the standard ZL1s. Look at what the C8 does with better initial weight loading.

Real world A10 ZL1s run 11.3-11.5. M6 ZL1s run 11.8-12.1. Don't forget the GM built in bog affects both Transmissions but A10s less. I would expect the 1LE versioins to be on the slow end. 1LEs in both v8 versions have a handicap at the drag strip and the SS version hs extra weight with the bigger brakes and a 40 pound heavier diff.

The ZL1 is more of a track monster than drag strip boss. I think that was intentional by Chevy. But it doesn't sell. The standard ZL1 is a world class track car. The 1LE is just the gravy more serious tracker.

If Chevy would have built a lighter version of the ZL1 and removed the bog, it could have been a 10 second car all day long. And it could be cheaper than the ZL1 base but still with very good SS level handling. If Chevy built that Camaro and marketed that version dealers would have not been able to keep them in stock. And throw in the LT5 SC just for the cherry on top for a ZL1/R version. Imagine a COPOish hood on that beast and the commercial enveloping the car with tire smoke drifting in a Walmart parking lot.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I have not witnessed any ZL1LEs run. But I can say this about drag racing on track oriented tires. They tend to get greasy whwn burning out and have very stiff sidewalls. So they do not help with weight tranfer at all like a taller tire can. Little or no advantage there. Alsoi think the ZL1LEs springs might be a bit stiffer. So if anything I think the Z 1LEs will be a bit slower than the standard ZL1s. Look at what the C8 does with better initial weight loading.

Real world A10 ZL1s run 11.3-11.5. M6 ZL1s run 11.8-12.1. Don't forget the GM built in bog affects both Transmissions but A10s less. I would expect the 1LE versioins to be on the slow end. 1LEs in both v8 versions have a handicap at the drag strip and the SS version hs extra weight with the bigger brakes and a 40 pound heavier diff.

The ZL1 is more of a track monster than drag strip boss. I think that was intentional by Chevy. But it doesn't sell. The standard ZL1 is a world class track car. The 1LE is just the gravy more serious tracker.

If Chevy would have built a lighter version of the ZL1 and removed the bog, it could have been a 10 second car all day long. And it could be cheaper than the ZL1 base but still with very good SS level handling. If Chevy built that Camaro and marketed that version dealers would have not been able to keep them in stock. And throw in the LT5 SC just for the cherry on top for a ZL1/R version. Imagine a COPOish hood on that beast and the commercial enveloping the car with tire smoke drifting in a Walmart parking lot.

Car and Driver got 11.7 on an m6 zl1 1le and they have gotten 12.3 on an SS 1le m6, about the same as a manual ss and close to an auto ss so the 1le package isn't that handicapped.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It turns out that it wasn't GM, it was TopSpeed. And they were guesstimating 11.3.

Apparently not one of the magazines bothered to test the ZLE.

In any case we will soon see what both cars (GT500 and ZL1) in both trims are capable of.

Yes sir then we can debate their opinions after they post data hahaha

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Yes sir then we can debate their opinions after they post data hahaha

I think the real debate will be whether or not the price justifies the performance. It is gonna be a tough one for sure.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think the real debate will be whether or not the price justifies the performance. It is gonna be a tough one for sure.

It seems the base 500 will perform similar to the Redeye WB. Well, it will have to to justify its price anyway. I am not sure what a true apples to apples is when we consider standard options, but MSRPs are within a few thousand dollars.

Of course, for anyone who thinks the Redeye isn't worth the price tag(like me), that comparison doesnt help hahaha.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I think the real debate will be whether or not the price justifies the performance. It is gonna be a tough one for sure.

Yes sir, that is the ultimate question. I have more faith in the "base car" justifying it's price than the the CFTP. The CFTP with that price tag to me needs to kind of be in holy sh*t levels of track performance for that kind of price tag.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Car and Driver got 11.7 on an m6 zl1 1le and they have gotten 12.3 on an SS 1le m6, about the same as a manual ss and close to an auto ss so the 1le package isn't that handicapped.

ZL1 A10 is a 11.3 car, ZLE A10 will likely be a 11.5 car. That huge wing and aero is going to slow it down.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

ZL1 A10 is a 11.3 car, ZLE A10 will likely be a 11.5 car. That huge wing and aero is going to slow it down.

If so then would you also guess that if the Base GT500 is, let's say, a 10.9, then the CF GT500 could be around 11.1 or 11.2 and therefore might get beaten by the C8 in the quarter mile?

[72MachOne99GT]

To Blaqs last question, the big wing bersion of the GT500 may be a tiny bit slower, and yes, that may make it a closer race to a base C8 Vette...but I think those numbers are more likely to be 10.8-10.9 GT500 to 11.0-11.1 C8.

Decent air, decent track prep, and competent drivers, Ithink we’ll see more 10.99 and below GT500s than you’re expecting.

For what it’s worth, this last page has been more civil and realistic from everyone here. Instead of simply bashing the Shelby for being late/expensive/whatever, and following up every positive expectation with a caveat that negates anything the Ford might do right, conversation is tilting toward cost:performance.

Ultimately, I think that’s where this thread is heading after performance numbers are released.

Base model faster than. RedEye, yes... but at what cost.
Carbon Fiber TP quicker than the ZL1-1LE, yes, but at what price (especially considering what the average buyers may be paying. Slightly under msrp to over)

I’m looking forward to continuing to lurk and read sensible conversation.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

To Blaqs last question, the big wing bersion of the GT500 may be a tiny bit slower, and yes, that may make it a closer race to a base C8 Vette...but I think those numbers are more likely to be 10.8-10.9 GT500 to 11.0-11.1 C8.

I asked that question because to me it doesn't seem like anyone has tried to push the Vette. It's like they took it out, got 11.1, and said "ok dur dur dur that's good enough dur dur" and went home. Here we have what could be the first NA mass produced non-specialty American RWD Base level Sports car to go 10s bone stock and not one person even tried. Yet they went on a whole rant about under steer and then wrote an entire second rant defending their first rant about under steer. Not one of them even mentioned "hey, this car might really go 10s". So side note, that REALLY pissed me off. These so called car guys could have made a historical moment with a historical vehicle...but under steer got all the attention. Ok, enough about those idiots.

I do think that we might see a C8 beat a GT500. They are that close. And it will be due to traction advantages/disadvantages of both cars. But it is something I'd like to see. Along with a 10 second run for the C8!!

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Decent air, decent track prep, and competent drivers, Ithink we’ll see more 10.99 and below GT500s than you’re expecting.

Not for nothin, but I think we'll see a lot of 10.99 and faster bone stock C8s as well. Mine might be one of them...

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Base model faster than. RedEye, yes... but at what cost.

Again I think the RE will be faster when they are both tested under the same conditions. And I think the C8 will be able to take them both. Again, due to traction advantages/disadvantages. The RE chassis is built more for quarter mile than the GT500. And it has more HP and TQ. The weight is a wash. The GT500 might do well at drag but it is not as dedicated to it as the RE is. The RE is focused solely on straight line performance. So I think that will be the deciding factor.

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Carbon Fiber TP quicker than the ZL1-1LE, yes, but at what price (especially considering what the average buyers may be paying. Slightly under msrp to over)

The GT500 might have it's hands full dealing with the ZLE...

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

If so then would you also guess that if the Base GT500 is, let's say, a 10.9, then the CF GT500 could be around 11.1 or 11.2 and therefore might get beaten by the C8 in the quarter mile?

It might get beaten absolutely. The only problem is that the base 500 isn't a 10.9 car but you already know that.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by newmoon

The only problem is that the base 500 isn't a 10.9 car but you already know that.

That's right... we know an unknown spec, pre-production car went 10.6 in the hands of a Ford shill who is an experienced drag racer, on a prepped track in excellent conditions, using all the tricks in the book and all day to do it.

We also know supposedly production spec cars run 11.0-11.2 in the hands of the average auto journalist on a prepped dragstrip in average conditions.

What we don't know, is what the car will run in normal magazine/journalist test conditions.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

ZL1 A10 is a 11.3 car, ZLE A10 will likely be a 11.5 car. That huge wing and aero is going to slow it down.

So even thought the zl1 1le m6 is allegedly quicker than the zl1 m6 (according to gm and car and drivers tests), you think the automatic version of the zl1 1le will be significantly slower than the auto zl1? Interesting, I'd like to hear your logic.