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Old 05-11-2021, 08:14 AM   #1
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Camaro6 vs most recent Accord

This isn’t a comparison I’ve ever seen, but bear with me. Until recently, I owned a 2018 Accord 1.5 (smaller engine option) 6MT along side my Camaro. I sold it cause a cracked tail light put it in limp mode. It was just too “smart” for its own good. Anyhoo... the Accord had exponentially better handling. Steering was like on rails, suspension was fairly stiff and was out of place for a sedan. It had respectable power too, especially if I really let it rev. The Camaro (convertible) felt like a boat in comparison. Anyone else feel that the Camaro chassis isn’t sporty enough? Compared to my old Grand Marquis, however, the Camaro is a Lotus.
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Old 05-11-2021, 08:25 AM   #2
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What type of Camaro do you have? I have a 2018 V6 and my girlfriend has a 2019 Accord Sport. I agree with what you've said here. The car feels just as nimble and buttoned down as my Camaro. Almost excessively so for a 4 door family type car. Overall I think it's a awesome car for the money
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Old 05-11-2021, 08:31 AM   #3
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2-door rwd vert sport coupe vs wrong wheel drive 4-door family sedan
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:00 AM   #4
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my wife has a 2018 civic coupe.it is a pretty sexy little bastard and drives much better than i thought it would. the 2 liter engine is the base,reliable motor and it still does 0-60 in 7 seconds with a CVT trans.i have seen 43 mpg on the highway many times.yup,im impressed too.
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:35 AM   #5
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Push a Camaro hard in the corners......it's going to have a lot more poise/higher limits than an Accord Sport with no limited slip and the electronic nannies step in.
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Old 05-11-2021, 12:29 PM   #6
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I have a 2016 v6 ragtop. And I feel that I have to clarify my driving background. I am sporty everyday driver, not a sporty driver. My typical limit is about 1/2 throttle, but occasionally go to 3/4. I rarely make it to 4K rpm. I’ve never come close to reaching the point where the tires start letting go of the road... if that ever happened, I would think that calamity would ensue. Anyone know how much typical car engines can take? How much throttle and how close to redline can you get on a regular basis without affecting engine and part life?
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Old 05-11-2021, 12:45 PM   #7
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The LGX is a pretty reliable engine, so spirited driving is fine as long as you do proper maintenance, run good fuels, etc...You're probably not going to get a definitive answer on how how long it will last based on how hard you drive it (because it's all relative) but you can definitely push it harder than what you're describing and have no real worries
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:06 PM   #8
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My current guess is that “regular” cars (like Accords and Camrys) are so de-tuned that you can regularly floor them and get close to redline without having any real life degradation. The trannys maybe not so much. Performance marketed cars I’d guess have less of a design buffer.
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:17 PM   #9
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I'd be more worried about pushing these these little 4 bangers with high boost (like the Accord) than a nice n/a V6 or V8. Hell most of these turbo 4's are pushing like 18-22 psi stock
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:23 PM   #10
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You can absolutely push it to the redline without doing damage. That's why it's there, as an "if you go further you could risk damaging things, but below here you're fine." That's where the power in the V6 is anyway. I wouldn't drive down the highway just banging the rev limiter, but during acceleration with your foot to the floor, it's fine.

A lot of modern cars, especially those with turbos, have peak torque below 3k rpm because the majority of drivers don't go beyond 3k on a normal basis. So on something that was not designed with that as a goal, driving it like that won't feel as peppy as something that was.

As far as handling goes, I'm positive that at the limit the Camaro is better, but below that, it's certainly possible the Accord feels sportier. Feel is a very engineered thing that the designer make deliberate choices around. It can be the size, suspension tuning, and even as simple as an alignment that will drastically change how a car feels, even at lower speeds. Stiffer springs will make a car feel far sportier than something softer, but that doesn't make the car faster at the limit.
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Old 05-11-2021, 07:56 PM   #11
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^^^^ looking at torque curves, the new Supra looks like it has a ton of power down low. 240 at 3k vs the Camaro’s 140... but with a similar peak. If it were priced with the v6 camaro it’d make sense, but not at vette prices

Edit: I believe the article I got that from mentioned a concern that the torque converter didn’t lock as expected, so that could be skewed.
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Old 05-11-2021, 08:02 PM   #12
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The Supra is way underrated. Even the peak hp numbers are significantly higher than the V6 Camaro
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Old 05-11-2021, 10:00 PM   #13
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I have a 2016 v6 ragtop. And I feel that I have to clarify my driving background. I am sporty everyday driver, not a sporty driver. My typical limit is about 1/2 throttle, but occasionally go to 3/4. I rarely make it to 4K rpm. I’ve never come close to reaching the point where the tires start letting go of the road... if that ever happened, I would think that calamity would ensue. Anyone know how much typical car engines can take? How much throttle and how close to redline can you get on a regular basis without affecting engine and part life?
Modern vehicles with modern computer controls in stock form can take extreme amounts of abuse and never be effected.

Most new cars probably get only about 5% of their useful life out of them before they get totaled or end up in a junkyard.

Manufactures test their engines at wide open throttle for over a month straight, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, pedal to the floor.
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Old 05-11-2021, 10:10 PM   #14
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Camaro's Alpha chassis was designed 1st for Cadillac and it was designed to handle a 650hp SC V8, so it's more composed and buttoned-down, especially in lower power versions... however at the limit the Camaro chassis shows it's self to be one of the best in the world for a midsize sedan chassis, and with SS+ power levels you can really appreciate how it puts power down.

Also, the Accord Sport is a great car and Honda has been refining it for decades. It's always been a really good car. It's also engineered to feel more on the sporty side, where the Camaro can be a little too smooth and feel boring sometimes in comparison.
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