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Old 12-23-2020, 10:37 AM   #15
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I was a Mustang guy all the way back to the first car I ever bought new, an '89LX 5.0. Most recent was a '17 GT PP1. After tracking it, and figuring out how much work it really needed for the track, I started looking at GT350s. ADM and engine issues slowed my roll, and then a ZL1 showed up at our local Chevy dealer with 2700 miles. Done deal.

ZL1 is a better car in just about every respect, but the things that really stood out were the interior, and the suspension. Having torque everywhere is a huge improvement over the 5.0 Coyote on the street.

Another thing is that the Mustang attracted every asshat on the road... no matter what they were driving, they either wanted to race, or just get in your way. The ZL1 seems to fly under everyones' radar.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:37 AM   #16
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I'm not a Ford guy, I'm a Chevy guy. I never even considered a Mustang and never would. Just like I own a Chevy Tahoe and Chevy Impala and would never consider a Ford Expedition or Ford Fusion.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:37 AM   #17
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I had a 15GT/PP1 car and it was a great ride but it required about a 1K+ in Steeda parts to deal with the horrible wheel hop in the IRS. The 1LE chassis is night and day better, torque everywhere, you had to run that Coyote >4K to have any nuts.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:38 AM   #18
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Couldn't get / find color combo I wanted, same MPG, hundred+ horsepower less.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:39 AM   #19
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:41 AM   #20
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:42 AM   #21
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I had no bias or brand loyalty going into it... My final two options was between the Camaro SS/2SS and Mustang GT.

When I went and test drove the Mustang GT, it was nice, but felt so 'generic'. Mostly, the interior. It felt lower quality than the Camaro and the styling and ergonomics for sure was nowhere as good as the Camaro. Given the interior is where you spend most of your time, that's a pretty big deal. It looked very dated to me honestly.

Driving wise, it felt great. No real complaints there.

Immediately after driving the Mustang GT, I went right to another dealer to drive the 2SS. Within an hour of each other. That is where I made my final call and I knew it within seconds of sitting inside (I drove an SS prior to the Mustang already, for reference).

Camaro was just so special on the interior. I love the cockpit feel, it's exotic and feels like a supercar. Exterior styling is significantly better, IMO.

A bit more 'rarity' as well in my parts. I see probably 15-20 mustangs for every Camaro here, seriously. Even harder to find the SS/ZL1's here in the 'wild'. See a lot more 5.0's.

The engines/transmissions are comparable, so that's a wash. Splitting hairs there.

However... The handling of the Camaro just felt more 'right' to me. The ride was just a better experience. The way the Camaro handles turns and aggressive driving just makes me smile a lot more. Also, the exhaust/engine note I give the edge to Camaro, as well... Especially with NPP.

So basically, the Camaro won because of exterior and interior styling, exhaust note and handling. That's a pretty big deal.

At the end of the day, both are nice. Camaro is just a level up though (or two!).
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:44 AM   #22
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I have to defend the mustang MT82 here like I defended the camaro over there with the "visibility" reason for not buying.

There are MAYBE a handful of bad trans's from 2011 that started this feeling. But the real deal is way more bad drivers. People not understanding how to properly shift and drive a manual V8 muscle car. I had (2) 2011 GTs, a 2012 GT and a 2014 GT all with the MT82. Never had one issue with the almost 100k miles spread across all those cars I owned. Those trans's are not gods gift to racing, but I've had my share of shit trans's with other cars as well. A nice shifter and some solid trans mounts completely fixes any lock out problem you could have.

Now Im sure there are bad MT82s out there, but I can almost guaranty they are caused by bad drivers.

Just as "visibility" might be an issue in the camaro if you are 4'11" or 6'8". But for the majority of normal sized adults, you can see out fine. Not about getting that large coke from McDonalds through the window at the drive threw...

That is a fair point, by my own standards the valve springs issue should've taken the Camaro out of the running for me.



That said, it is an emotional thing and my first car was a Camaro, so I was naturally drawn to the camaro.


I have nothing against mustangs, my parents are mustang people, but I've been a Camaro guy. I'd have no problem buying a ford, i tend to think Chevy makes more comfortable interiors, but I like fords just as well.


MY last car was an Acura, I've no loyalty, these massive globo-companies have no loyalty to us.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:46 AM   #23
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No offense but thats a silly torch to carry. If another brand is doing something you like better, or just straight up better, why not switch?
Says you with the bow tie icon and mopar user name...

I guess, I am just to old school, its a Chevy /GM thatís it.

Most people in my age group would hopefully be the same way.
It what fueled the big three with AMC looking in for decades.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:48 AM   #24
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Says you with the bow tie icon and mopar user name...

I guess, I am just to old school, its a Chevy /GM thatís it.

Most people in my age group would hopefully be the same way.
It what fueled the big three with AMC looking in for decades.

i have a bowtie on my back so im kind of stuck thank god i didnt get a pontiac or saturn tattoo haha
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:09 AM   #25
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:09 AM   #26
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A bit more 'rarity' as well in my parts. I see probably 15-20 mustangs for every Camaro here, seriously. Even harder to find the SS/ZL1's here in the 'wild'. See a lot more 5.0's.
From April of 2017 to now, I first had a 1SS 1LE, and now, since February of 2020, a ZL1. In that time period I think I've seen 3 ZL1's. They must be out there, but I don't see them. I like that.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:12 AM   #27
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I've had several mustangs in the past and each time of 2nd chances, and have been disappointed. IMHO, they're not good value for the $$. So I've written off anything from the blue oval. I'll stick with GM products and if I ever decide to change in the future, it'll be Toyota or Honda.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:13 AM   #28
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Simple answer: my brother got one after I got my Camaro. As funny as it sounds, we basically had each others spec (Black exterior, mag ride, red interior etc...) after driving both cars back to back hereís my conclusion.

The Mustang: What a hell of a car that is. I tell people if you are looking for a fun, sporty car that is great for daily driving (hence the Grand Touring name) the prancing pony is the car for you.

The Camaro: The most track capable ďmuscle carĒ of the group. I think we can all agree that the Camaro isnít the most daily drivable car for everyday use (small trunk space, below average visibility, tight interior). If you like to race, the Camaro is the car for you.

Something I also want to put out is that this was a dream car for me since I can remember. I donít think Iíve ever had a car thatís made me so happy when I see it. To be completely honest, Iím still in disbelief I even have the Camaro in my garage right now.
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