[shaffe]

Originally Posted by hotlap

To be more clear. Build a 7.0L NA engine for the Z06 and Z/28. No one will care if its not faster than the ZL1 or ZL1-1LE

Use Ford's GT350 TP and R approach and share the engine with the SS-1LE ($57k) and make the Z/28 ($65k) the stripped super NA track car.

I know shaffe and Bhoobs and many other agree with this. I'd buy

That would be a great idea. As long as the Z/28 is N/A and more than capable on the track people will buy it. Where I think GM also kind of shot themselves in the foot is with the 5th gen car. That car kind of put the Z/28 name up pedestal, so some people will think it has to be the ultimate track car, a stripped out no nonsense car. With emissions standards etc etc, I don't see them finding a way to make enough power NA to chase down the ZL1 1LE( Still hate typing that name lol). As long as its the best NA track camaro, that is all that matters, it doesn't need to be the be all end all in the Camaro line up, because it never was until the 5th gen.

Originally Posted by Perez_J310

I am in agreement with others. I don't think the Z28 should slot higher in the lineup vs zl1 1le. The zl1 1le is the 6th gens track star. The z28 should be a GT car on steriods, great to daily drive but can also tear up the canyons and track. If GM can make a decently equipped 550-575 whp high revving NA V8 with 2SS interior and ZL1 suspension plus some areo goodies they would have my money in a heartbeat.

Good luck on the 550-575 WHP car from the factory NA, that would equate to over 625HP at the crank.


I still say the best formula for a 6th gen Z/28 would be take the ZL1 1LE suspension, and aero bits, throw them on a SS 1LE with a hot LT1. Think LS1 to LS6

Or basically what the Grand Sport is in the Corvette line up. Has all the go fast goodies from the Z06/Z07 but NA. Except for the Camaro spice up the engine a bit lol

[Bhobbs]

I agree. SS 1LE with ZL1 1LE aero and suspension, 530-550 hp, carbon brakes and light wheels.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I agree. SS 1LE with ZL1 1LE aero and suspension, 530-550 hp, carbon brakes and light wheels.

With how good the alpha chassis is, IMO it doesn't need that much power even. I think anything over 500 would be plenty, and that car would be one hell of a track toy

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by shaffe

With how good the alpha chassis is, IMO it doesn't need that much power even. I think anything over 500 would be plenty, and that car would be one hell of a track toy

I agree. It may not need 550 hp, but it can't hurt.

[Raven87]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I agree. SS 1LE with ZL1 1LE aero and suspension, 530-550 hp, carbon brakes and light wheels.

I agree with most of this but I would make the CCBs an option for the dedicated track rats. They are very expensive and if you don't track the car you are paying for a super feature that you really don't need for a weekend toy or a DD. And, an option for the pricey Trofeo Rs (or similar) would be good as well.

If they make the CCBs and option with the resultant lower price that would come, the Z/28 will sell many times over what it did in '14 and '15.

[R.C. Collins]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I agree. SS 1LE with ZL1 1LE aero and suspension, 530-550 hp, carbon brakes and light wheels.

GM could do all that with a simple parts bin raid (make the Z06 brakes standard, and the carbons optional) for about $12k more than what the SS 1LE costs to build, and they would have a lightweight NA track car that slots nicely between the less powerful SS 1LE and the heavier ZL1 1LE. And at a price point $20k less than what the Gen5 Z28 premiered at. Why not?

[Battlezone580]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I agree. SS 1LE with ZL1 1LE aero and suspension, 530-550 hp, carbon brakes and light wheels.

The ZL1 1LE already has lighter 19' wheels and over all weight reduction from the ZL1. What else are they going to strip that customers can live with?

They can gut the car like the 5th gen Z/28, but I believe that was the reason for bad sales of the previous Z.

I love the fact I can drive my ZL1 1LE around town with the music playing, and then go rip down the track if I want. If the ZL1 1LE was gutted like the Z/28, I wouldn't have bought it.

As much as I would love to see a new Z/28, at this point it seems useless for GM.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Battlezone580

The ZL1 1LE already has lighter 19' wheels and over all weight reduction from the ZL1. What else are they going to strip that customers can live with?

They can gut the car like the 5th gen Z/28, but I believe that was the reason for bad sales of the previous Z.

I love the fact I can drive my ZL1 1LE around town with the music playing, and then go rip down the track if I want. If the ZL1 1LE was gutted like the Z/28, I wouldn't have bought it.

As much as I would love to see a new Z/28, at this point it seems useless for GM.

I get that people don't want their shiny new ZL1 1LE to not be the latest and greatest, but that doesn't mean there isn't somewhere to position the Z/28, if they choose to build one.

[LateBrakeU2]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

I get that people don't want their shiny new ZL1 1LE to not be the latest and greatest, but that doesn't mean there isn't somewhere to position the Z/28, if they choose to build one.

Here's their dilemma from where i'm sittin. They simply made the 1LE too good. It kicks the crap out af GT350 for 15k less,the ZL1LE is 25k+ more. There are dozens and dozens of low mile Z's for sale sitting with no takers at 30k under window. Don't think GM doesn't look at wholesale book on these,or dealers that got hammered on theirs. What will motivate the brass to green light a tweener low production track car when they already have excellent book end models that cover the price range? There are far less people tracking any of these than you would think. My .O2 YMMV

[DGthe3]

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by LateBrakeU2

Here's their dilemma from where i'm sittin. They simply made the 1LE too good. It kicks the crap out af GT350 for 15k less,the ZL1LE is 25k+ more. There are dozens and dozens of low mile Z's for sale sitting with no takers at 30k under window. Don't think GM doesn't look at wholesale book on these,or dealers that got hammered on theirs. What will motivate the brass to green light a tweener low production track car when they already have excellent book end models that cover the price range? There are far less people tracking any of these than you would think. My .O2 YMMV

I haven't seen any head to head comparisons where the 1LE has kicked the crap out of the GT350.

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[GrimReaperSS]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

I haven't seen any head to head comparisons where the 1LE has kicked the crap out of the GT350.

No Head-Head as of yet. But for comparisons sake (yeah yeah, I know, not tested the same day etc).... Thats quite a bit of difference.

Car and Driver - Laguna Seca
2016 GT350R - 1:36.11
2018 ZL1 1LE - 1:34.30

Car and Driver - VIR Lightning Lap
2016 GT350R - 2:51.8
2018 ZL1 1LE - 2:45.7

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by GrimReaperSS

No Head-Head as of yet. But for comparisons sake (yeah yeah, I know, not tested the same day etc).... Thats quite a bit of difference.

Car and Driver - Laguna Seca
2016 GT350R - 1:36.11
2018 ZL1 1LE - 1:34.30

Car and Driver - VIR Lightning Lap
2016 GT350R - 2:51.8
2018 ZL1 1LE - 2:45.7

LateBrakeU2 was referring to the SS 1LE, not the ZL1, when he made the comment about kicking the crap out of the GT350 since he said that it does it for 15 grand less.

[LateBrakeU2]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

LateBrakeU2 was referring to the SS 1LE, not the ZL1, when he made the comment about kicking the crap out of the GT350 since he said that it does it for 15 grand less.

Correct, that's why i left out the "R" when comparing. But as to the ZL1/1LE V the 350R from a comparable price point..well six seconds at VIR is an eternity. And over the course of a real world race scenario of say a 20 lap sprint race..