[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Unfortunately, the 6th gen took the numbers away...its 4th gen v2 all over again, leading to another cancellation :| 5th gen numbers weren't the greatest either, but comparatively, they were quite a bit higher in sales, except perhaps the 2015s (which I'd bet was because people were waiting for the 6th gen at that point).

Reasons being the refresh which made them look absolutely horrendous, and the visibility that everyone keeps complaining about, but they won't fix for some reason.

That and it seems like they really don't care about it. There's no passion about it at all

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by hawk02

But I agree it seems like lot of engineering for only a 32 hp gain.

Maybe all that engineering was also for another purpose. Perhaps not yet unveiled

[mariojas]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Reasons being the refresh which made them look absolutely horrendous, and the visibility that everyone keeps complaining about, but they won't fix for some reason.

That and it seems like they really don't care about it. There's no passion about it at all

I hope they never will. Maybe shark fin camera more like fish eye it will be perfect.

My friend b... about visibility. Like he needs to see first feet in front of the hood. Only valid point is blind spot, but just use technology to fix that, so we can still have this awesome look.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Blackdevil77

Reasons being the refresh which made them look absolutely horrendous, and the visibility that everyone keeps complaining about, but they won't fix for some reason.

That and it seems like they really don't care about it. There's no passion about it at all

Nah the numbers dropped in 2016 and continued to get worse, and it looks like in 2015 people might've been holding off for the 6th gen (the drop from 15-16 was only about 5000). I remember when I saw the first showing of the 6th gen I said "damnit, they went and screwed it up again!". They grew on me a bit over time though...but I also have had 3 of them so far.

[Schlok]

Originally Posted by hawk02

Fueling is probably limiting more HP.

Yep, most likely the case. If they didn't add a bigger fuel lobe on the cam or add port injection (no way they did that) then this would explain the 'meager' gains from a 2650....

[cjperformance]

GM chose to put its R&D into the vette and none in the camaro. The two cars are mostly the same market/buyer. The rear seats in my camaro dont even fit my kids all that well, so its just extra storage space. The 6th gen camaro has 90% of the capability of the C7.

Wonder what the camaro could have been like without the midengine vette taking up engineering bandwidth? The C8 vette is cool and all, but even though i could afford one, id still rather have my camaro because they go to such huge lengths to lock us out from tuning on newer stuff.

There's just nothing i could do with it for fun, tweaking.

If that caddy was a suburban id be interested, but just not a caddy person. And if given the choice between that and a better camaro... id take the camaro of course.

[Exia]

The answer is money. When developing a new vehicle (Escalade V) they can do whatever they want because the engine will have to be certified and emissions tested regardless of if they just take something off the shelf or try something new.

In the case of the Camaro, putting this new LT4 in would require more then just the cost of getting it to fit (which should be easy enough) they'd have to once again pay for certifications and emissions on a car they know will only sell X and would probably continue to sell X even without spending the money so whats the point?

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Exia

The answer is money. When developing a new vehicle (Escalade V) they can do whatever they want because the engine will have to be certified and emissions tested regardless of if they just take something off the shelf or try something new.

In the case of the Camaro, putting this new LT4 in would require more then just the cost of getting it to fit (which should be easy enough) they'd have to once again pay for certifications and emissions on a car they know will only sell X and would probably continue to sell X even without spending the money so whats the point?

This is true, but it's still a shame. The ZL1 with a proper blower from factory would be incredible. The damn Vette was always holding back the ZL1 from being all it could be.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by Schlok

Yep, most likely the case. If they didn't add a bigger fuel lobe on the cam or add port injection (no way they did that) then this would explain the 'meager' gains from a 2650....

They are only spinning the 2650 13,500 rpm @ 10psi. The 1740 makes 9-10psi and spins 20,500rpm. So they picked up those meager gains basically with the same amount of boost spinning 7k rpm slower. Also note that 2650 will likely only get 30-40 degrees over ambient spinning that slow. So it will make that power all day without pulling timing. The 1740 is always pulling some timing on 93 in the warmer temps so you are not getting 650hp anyway...except for a cold pull. Stock tune pulls timing starting around 133 MAT and and a stock ZL1 pretty much runs around 140-150 all the time.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

They are only spinning the 2650 13,500 rpm @ 10psi. The 1740 makes 9-10psi and spins 20,500rpm. So they picked up those meager gains basically with the same amount of boost spinning 7k rpm slower. Also note that 2650 will likely only get 30-40 degrees over ambient spinning that slow. So it will make that power all day without pulling timing. The 1740 is always pulling some timing on 93 in the warmer temps so you are not getting 650hp anyway...except for a cold pull. Stock tune pulls timing starting around 133 MAT and and a stock ZL1 pretty much runs around 140-150 all the time.

Which is a problem. Sounds like a design flaw to me.

[Katech_Zach]

There were some pictures floating around of an "LT4.5" supercharger that was running on a mule escalade-v on Facebook (i can't seem to find them now). It was an LT5 2650 blower with no port injection rails, modified snout for wet sump spacing, and a different water manifold. The lid had Cadillac etched into it. It was rumored to be for the Escalade-V and a Camaro of some sort.

I am guessing because of production logistics, the EV push, etc.... they decided to axe it.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Katech_Zach

There were some pictures floating around of an "LT4.5" supercharger that was running on a mule escalade-v on Facebook (i can't seem to find them now). It was an LT5 2650 blower with no port injection rails, modified snout for wet sump spacing, and a different water manifold. The lid had Cadillac etched into it. It was rumored to be for the Escalade-V and a Camaro of some sort.

I am guessing because of production logistics, the EV push, etc.... they decided to axe it.

Wasn't there a camo-ed Camaro spotted somewhat recently? I wonder if that could have been it.

This EV push is ridiculous and temporary. It's just not feasible to completely eliminate ICE in the time frame they're claiming.

[BLACK21SS]

Originally Posted by xplct

Well, Chrysler will finance anyone LOL, one of the reasons there is more of them on the road.

I had a deal with my local Dodge dealer a few years ago for 0% on a R/T Durango. My wife wanted a Scat Pack Charger. After they said yes, the FM said I didn’t qualify for the 0% (814 FICO) but they’d let me have it for 8.8% for 72 months.

They sure did me a favor. What a mistake that would’ve been. Got a Telluride instead. Couldn’t have been happier.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by BLACK21SS

I had a deal with my local Dodge dealer a few years ago for 0% on a R/T Durango. My wife wanted a Scat Pack Charger. After they said yes, the FM said I didn’t qualify for the 0% (814 FICO) but they’d let me have it for 8.8% for 72 months.

They sure did me a favor. What a mistake that would’ve been. Got a Telluride instead. Couldn’t have been happier.

814 doesn’t qualify you? Wtf does?