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Judging by sales numbers, yes people do care. I case, but not enough to get me into a Challenger - yet. It is the first comment everyone makes on getting in the car, "wow it really is a bunker."
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12-29-2020, 02:36 PM | #7422 |
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It’s not about performance. It’s about the number, it’s about the hype. There’s a reason people paid a premium for the GT350, when it’s not much better than the SS1LE. There’s a reason Dodge sells more Challengers than GM sells Camaros, despite being worse in most areas and not having a convertible.
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I'd love more enthusiasm from GM on this side of the isle, but it's gone. They don't care. It might be pessimistic, true, but GM's current mission dictates ICE trucks/SUVs pay for our electric future.
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12-29-2020, 04:50 PM | #7424 | |
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the mustang looks great as well. if you think it looks bad see 1974-1993. actually the next decade was only 'okay' as well.
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There’s zero reason for an LT5 Camaro to be 100k. It should be ~75k. The GT500 base is about that and it has numerous unique parts, including the engine (that makes more power than the top Corvette at the time) and a DTC. If it wasn’t for the chassis being world class, the Camaro would be a mediocre car. Honestly, chassis engineering is about the only thing GM does well. Their exterior designs are ok, their interior choices have been issues for a long time. Their automatic transmissions have been really bad.
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Massachusetts is joining California in pushing for EV only new car sales in 2035. https://www.republicworld.com/world-...y-by-2035.html
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The camaro as a performance car is insane at what it can do, problem is that's only 30-40% of the buyers. GM IMO focused to hard on what the minority wanted which was smaller, lighter, faster. The problem is the Camaro is a bad coupe, especially compared to its direct rivals Mustang and Challenger. |
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01-04-2021, 05:32 PM | #7428 |
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^^ Well said.
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Thanks Martin,
At least to me that's the only logical explanation. The whole segment is shrinking, but Camaro is hit the worst but it offers the best performance in the class, best handling in the class, and the performance to dollar ratio is insane yet its the worst selling vehicle in it's class for the majority of it's life and now has been hit the hardest since the segment is shrinking. The only things the other two do better is they are better at being cars. Even if it's only marginally better that can make a difference. Especially to someone who is making a decision based on a 15-20 minute test drive. |
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01-05-2021, 09:52 AM | #7432 |
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CT5-V Blackwing has an LT4.
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Ah, ok. missed that. I guess its a different v-8 than the Blackwing v-8???? not sure on that what's what...just saw the last paragraph...thanks...
"since launching the more modest CT4-V and CT5-V Cadillac has been promising beefier performance variants. If the spec sheets of the Blackwing cars are any indication, it appears the V-Series badge will once again mean serious performance. Although we’re still scratching our heads a bit when it comes to the Blackwing name given the fact neither Blackwing car will actually be powered by Cadillac’s Blackwing V-8. Then again, it wouldn’t be GM if it made total sense." Dang, these car names still drive me nuts...lol... |
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