You think Camaro will be Bailing out Now?!

MackSteelPrivateEye · 01-28-2020, 01:42 PM

You think Camaro will be Bailing out Now?! With this high powered action will Chevy still punk out and discontinue the next Gen Camaro?

HypeBlueZL1 · 01-28-2020, 01:52 PM

Predictions are hard. Especially when they are about the future.

Mov Ov3r · 01-28-2020, 02:32 PM

IMO Chevy is going all out on the Corvette and putting the Camaro to sleep for the next foreseeable future ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

crosive · 01-28-2020, 02:38 PM

I don't see any major changes to the camaro platform until 2023 at the earliest.

you have the base corvette, soon after, the z06, then a few years later the zr-1 equivalent.

gm wouldn't let the camaro steal thunder from it's flagship, which I think we can all agree they are focusing on pretty heavily right now.

if the past is any indication, 2023 may be the soonest we'd see a lul in corvette stuff, just to get a camaro in there, and I only see that happening if they do an alpha-2 platform for something cadillac related.

Emoto · 01-28-2020, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HypeBlueZL1

Predictions are hard. Especially when they are about the future.

Man, you a SO right. I find that my predictions about the past are much more accurate.

LT4Greg · 01-28-2020, 03:25 PM

All I will say on this is, we shall see!

Joshinator99 · 01-28-2020, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HypeBlueZL1

Predictions are hard. Especially when they are about the future.

Yogi Berra, if memory serves?

ST1LE · 01-28-2020, 06:36 PM

I haven't seen anything to make me think Chevy will discontinue the Camaro. You can find a rumor about anything, doesn't mean sht.

The C8 is a huge deal, and a difficult undertaking going from FE to ME so it is very understandable and expected that all resources were diverted to getting this right, as right as possible.

This also easily explains the extension on the current Camaro platform, or delay on the future platform if you want to look at it that way.

Ford and Dodge have shown there is still a ton of demand for Pony cars, and Chevy has all the tools to dominate the market with their platform sharing and big bro handing down goodies.

A next gen Camaro that offers buyers what the C8 doesn't while curing the very few issues with the current gen Camaro would sell well and I think GM knows that. The timing change just makes sense to me, not indicative of pending doom.

Long story short, no I dont think GM will bail out.

JROC · 01-28-2020, 09:17 PM

What I would like to see is GM throw the ZL1 a bone and give it a LT5. Look the ZL1 with 650 is definitely fast, but this isn't 2012 anymore. Those big fat pigs or BFP for short (BTW member when Mudstain guys would pick on the GEN5's weight, calling them BFP's? Oh, I member!) the GT500 and Challenger Hellfat are both pushing close the 120-150 HP more than the ZL1. That's a big HP gap and the ZL1 would need to be in the 3,300-3,400 lb range to hang with those cars with a stock LT4. Look at how much faster they trap at than the ZL1.

Hell, maybe make it an option for the ZL1. I'm sure a LT5 would add noticeable cost over the LT4. A ZL1 with a LT5 and an A10 or DCT would be a very fast car though.

Vtor_ZL1 · 01-28-2020, 09:24 PM

Keep it slow, better insurance rates

Deputy Dog · 01-29-2020, 01:16 AM

These cars are approaching 800 hp!! Camaro is a nice respectable car...its not some car for hooligans who have a Need for Speed. What do you think this is the 1960's? We are in the age of Prius's.

samurai · 01-29-2020, 01:50 AM

Dude, ZL1 1LE beats Hellcat Redeye on quarter mile and even more on the track.

Of course they could add a model with more horsepower, but for what? If you want to spend $100k like on the GT500 with Track Package Chevy will offer you an absolute beast of C8 Corvette Z06 pretty soon - And it's clear that this car will make GT500, ZL1 and Hellcat look dated in terms of performance. There is no reason for 6th Gen Camaro Z/28 if you can get the C8 Z06 for a similiar price range.

Also Camaro7 is not discontinued, we just had another survey from GM for getting a feel about pricing and engine choices. It will surely not launch before 2022/23, but it will come.

Cmax · 01-29-2020, 05:36 AM

[QUOTE=samurai;10711215]Dude, ZL1 1LE beats Hellcat Redeye on quarter mile and even more on the track.

Of course they could add a model with more horsepower, but for what? If you want to spend $100k like on the GT500 with Track Package Chevy will offer you an absolute beast of C8 Corvette Z06 pretty soon - And it's clear that this car will make GT500, ZL1 and Hellcat look dated in terms of performance. There is no reason for 6th Gen Camaro Z/28 if you can get the C8 Z06 for a similiar price range.

I watched the edmunds video too. The ZL1 1LE beat the snot out of the Hellcat except in room for track rubber. Oh, the hellcat had the furthest black stripe on a burnout....which is stupid. The Rustang BARELY won a few categories but it is like 25k more money and for 100k I think I want a mid engine C8 Z06. My Camaro SS was half that much and has plenty of the low end torque and roar without making me poor.
End of the day, everybody wins. I love my SS, and every time I see a Gen6 on the road, it’s like drop everything and stare at the pretty girl. But the Rustang and Dodge boys have some pretty sweet cars too....

gtfoxy · 01-29-2020, 05:47 AM

I heard on the radio GM had announced there is no plans for anything past 20203. No new engines, no redesign, nothing. They are way behind in sales -https://www.motor1.com/news/391330/mustang-leads-challenger-outsells-camaro/ - the bailout & strike are still lingering on people’s minds & aside from the Vette & Camaro I find their product lines meh.

Sales are down compared to the other two & GM has its self to blame. When I bought my 18 in Aug/ ‘18 the new 19’s were on the lot with 18’s already & there was absolutely zilch rebates, interest rate deals, or anything at the time on either. I searched many dealers in the MN Twin cities area as well as in WI for the best deal I could. Hardly any dealer wanted to budge an inch on pricing. So I bought the used one (6 months old from in-service) for $10K less what a new one was.

They paid the price because I could have, & was willing to, buy a new one. I could have bought a Lebanon Ford 700HP GT for $43k + $1K delivery to my door, but I wanted a Camaro. Quite honestly I’m kind of regretting it now.

Then a friend of mine 6 months later starts looking, after Q1 19 & they start to offer some incentives & dealers start panicking to move remaining inventory so he finds a good deal on a 1LE. A deal I would have been happy to have for a 2SS.

Heck I remember hearing adds for Hellcats having $7,200 discounts around the same time after I bought.

The market is cutthroat & it is a small market subset. They have to be competitive & right now GM isn’t for some reason.

01-28-2020, 03:25 PM	#6
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,813	All I will say on this is, we shall see! __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

01-28-2020, 06:36 PM	#8
ST1LE Drives: E92 BMW M3 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 4,496	I haven't seen anything to make me think Chevy will discontinue the Camaro. You can find a rumor about anything, doesn't mean sht. The C8 is a huge deal, and a difficult undertaking going from FE to ME so it is very understandable and expected that all resources were diverted to getting this right, as right as possible. This also easily explains the extension on the current Camaro platform, or delay on the future platform if you want to look at it that way. Ford and Dodge have shown there is still a ton of demand for Pony cars, and Chevy has all the tools to dominate the market with their platform sharing and big bro handing down goodies. A next gen Camaro that offers buyers what the C8 doesn't while curing the very few issues with the current gen Camaro would sell well and I think GM knows that. The timing change just makes sense to me, not indicative of pending doom. Long story short, no I dont think GM will bail out. __________________ SOLD - 2013 1LE - Pat G Spec'd Cam, NPP with 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers with High Flow Cats, Intake w/scoop, Ported Throttle Body, and Apex 1.25" Lowering Springs. J-Rod Built and Matt@FSP Tuned

01-28-2020, 09:24 PM	#10
Vtor_ZL1 Who Needs to KNOW? Drives: 18 ZLE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Left Side of the Moon Posts: 1,771	Keep it slow, better insurance rates __________________ ing for grip. Are you in the NY/NJ/PA/CT region? Join us for autox fun at MetLife Stadium. HUGE lots, tons of runs. http://www.motorsportsne.com/

01-28-2020, 01:52 PM	#2
HypeBlueZL1 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 73	Predictions are hard. Especially when they are about the future.

01-28-2020, 02:32 PM	#3
Mov Ov3r What speed limit? Drives: 2017 SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Dallas Posts: 245	IMO Chevy is going all out on the Corvette and putting the Camaro to sleep for the next foreseeable future ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01-28-2020, 02:38 PM	#4
crosive Drives: 18 zl1 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: central alabama Posts: 935	I don't see any major changes to the camaro platform until 2023 at the earliest. you have the base corvette, soon after, the z06, then a few years later the zr-1 equivalent. gm wouldn't let the camaro steal thunder from it's flagship, which I think we can all agree they are focusing on pretty heavily right now. if the past is any indication, 2023 may be the soonest we'd see a lul in corvette stuff, just to get a camaro in there, and I only see that happening if they do an alpha-2 platform for something cadillac related.

01-28-2020, 09:17 PM	#9
JROC Account Suspended Drives: 19 Camaro SS 1LE, 03 Ford Lightning Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: South Carolina Posts: 334	What I would like to see is GM throw the ZL1 a bone and give it a LT5. Look the ZL1 with 650 is definitely fast, but this isn't 2012 anymore. Those big fat pigs or BFP for short (BTW member when Mudstain guys would pick on the GEN5's weight, calling them BFP's? Oh, I member!) the GT500 and Challenger Hellfat are both pushing close the 120-150 HP more than the ZL1. That's a big HP gap and the ZL1 would need to be in the 3,300-3,400 lb range to hang with those cars with a stock LT4. Look at how much faster they trap at than the ZL1. Hell, maybe make it an option for the ZL1. I'm sure a LT5 would add noticeable cost over the LT4. A ZL1 with a LT5 and an A10 or DCT would be a very fast car though.

01-29-2020, 01:16 AM	#11
Deputy Dog Banned Drives: 2017 Super Sport Cam. Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: US Posts: 893	These cars are approaching 800 hp!! Camaro is a nice respectable car...its not some car for hooligans who have a Need for Speed. What do you think this is the 1960's? We are in the age of Prius's.

01-29-2020, 05:36 AM	#13
Cmax Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS FIFTY convertible Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 366	[QUOTE=samurai;10711215]Dude, ZL1 1LE beats Hellcat Redeye on quarter mile and even more on the track. Of course they could add a model with more horsepower, but for what? If you want to spend $100k like on the GT500 with Track Package Chevy will offer you an absolute beast of C8 Corvette Z06 pretty soon - And it's clear that this car will make GT500, ZL1 and Hellcat look dated in terms of performance. There is no reason for 6th Gen Camaro Z/28 if you can get the C8 Z06 for a similiar price range. I watched the edmunds video too. The ZL1 1LE beat the snot out of the Hellcat except in room for track rubber. Oh, the hellcat had the furthest black stripe on a burnout....which is stupid. The Rustang BARELY won a few categories but it is like 25k more money and for 100k I think I want a mid engine C8 Z06. My Camaro SS was half that much and has plenty of the low end torque and roar without making me poor. End of the day, everybody wins. I love my SS, and every time I see a Gen6 on the road, it’s like drop everything and stare at the pretty girl. But the Rustang and Dodge boys have some pretty sweet cars too....

01-29-2020, 05:47 AM	#14
gtfoxy Account Suspended Drives: '21 Wild Cherry ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: WI Posts: 2,082	I heard on the radio GM had announced there is no plans for anything past 20203. No new engines, no redesign, nothing. They are way behind in sales -https://www.motor1.com/news/391330/mustang-leads-challenger-outsells-camaro/ - the bailout & strike are still lingering on people’s minds & aside from the Vette & Camaro I find their product lines meh. Sales are down compared to the other two & GM has its self to blame. When I bought my 18 in Aug/ ‘18 the new 19’s were on the lot with 18’s already & there was absolutely zilch rebates, interest rate deals, or anything at the time on either. I searched many dealers in the MN Twin cities area as well as in WI for the best deal I could. Hardly any dealer wanted to budge an inch on pricing. So I bought the used one (6 months old from in-service) for $10K less what a new one was. They paid the price because I could have, & was willing to, buy a new one. I could have bought a Lebanon Ford 700HP GT for $43k + $1K delivery to my door, but I wanted a Camaro. Quite honestly I’m kind of regretting it now. Then a friend of mine 6 months later starts looking, after Q1 19 & they start to offer some incentives & dealers start panicking to move remaining inventory so he finds a good deal on a 1LE. A deal I would have been happy to have for a 2SS. Heck I remember hearing adds for Hellcats having $7,200 discounts around the same time after I bought. The market is cutthroat & it is a small market subset. They have to be competitive & right now GM isn’t for some reason.

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