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Old 07-21-2019, 02:46 PM   #43
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What they need to do is take the 6.6 liter from the trucks and make it a high RPM screamer. If they can get 495 hp out of the base LT2, I bet they could get around 550 out of a high output 6.6 liter.
Easier getting RPM out of smaller cubes, build a 5.5 NA screamer @ 530 horse to step on the GT350 and the Gt350R slimmy snake.
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Old 07-21-2019, 02:58 PM   #44
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Easier getting RPM out of smaller cubes, build a 5.5 NA screamer @ 530 horse to step on the GT350 and the Gt350R slimmy snake.
Easier to get power out of a big engine. And a big torquey engine is better than a small high winding engine. More torque = more average power = better overall performance.


And I think his use of 'high rpm' was a bit relative. He's talking about an engine developed for heavy duty pickups. It makes peak power a little over 5000 rpm. Reworking that engine into a high performance car engine where it peaks somewhere between 6 and 6.5 thousand would be 'high rpm' on that engine, but still fairly modest in the realm of performance engines.
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Old 07-21-2019, 03:28 PM   #45
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Easier to get power out of a big engine. And a big torquey engine is better than a small high winding engine. More torque = more average power = better overall performance.


And I think his use of 'high rpm' was a bit relative. He's talking about an engine developed for heavy duty pickups. It makes peak power a little over 5000 rpm. Reworking that engine into a high performance car engine where it peaks somewhere between 6 and 6.5 thousand would be 'high rpm' on that engine, but still fairly modest in the realm of performance engines.
I agree on the bigger torque rich engine and that can be done with the current LT1, not a truck 6.6 cast iron heavy beast. Build a 7k rpm LT1 at 530 horse and again kill the slimmy snake GT350R
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Old 07-22-2019, 10:25 AM   #46
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I agree on the bigger torque rich engine and that can be done with the current LT1, not a truck 6.6 cast iron heavy beast. Build a 7k rpm LT1 at 530 horse and again kill the slimmy snake GT350R
But there really is no point to do that, as the ZL1 already does that. Why would GM build a 500HP track car that doesn't beat the GT car already in it's lineup?
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:45 AM   #47
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But there really is no point to do that, as the ZL1 already does that. Why would GM build a 500HP track car that doesn't beat the GT car already in it's lineup?
I agree with this for the most part. GM does not seem to want to invest in the Camaro in any significant way. I mean, it doesn't make sense: the car has a few more model years and the sales are, and have been, low for it...

Unless GM can roll the investment into another vehicle, to help spread the costs, they likely wont do anything.

The SS 1LE, ZL1 and ZL1 1LE already provide a lot of performance and cover many competitors.

I'd love to see a 7,200 RPM LT-based, 500HP+ powered (NA) ZL1 1LE, but that's something GM simply will not do at this point. [Basically a street GT4.R]
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Old 07-22-2019, 11:57 AM   #48
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But there really is no point to do that, as the ZL1 already does that. Why would GM build a 500HP track car that doesn't beat the GT car already in it's lineup?
Camaro has nothing to directly compete with the NA GT350R, the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE are not its competition. The SS Camaro takes on the Mustang GT, The SS1LE takes on the GT350, all are naturally aspirated. A 500 horse SS1LE (or a Z28) would be a natural competitor to the GT350R. The ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE have had no Ford supercharged competition. Now that the GT500 is here, The ZL1 and the 1LE finally has a Ford direct competitor and Camaro better start to worry about being 110 horses shy and no DCT trans.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:00 PM   #49
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Camaro has nothing to directly compete with the NA GT350R, the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE are not its competition. The SS Camaro takes on the Mustang GT, The SS1LE takes on the GT350, all are naturally aspirated. A 500 horse SS1LE (or a Z28) would be a natural competitor to the GT350R. The ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE have had no Ford supercharged competition. Now that the GT500 is here, The ZL1 and the 1LE finally has a Ford direct competitor and Camaro better start to worry about being 110 horses shy and no DCT trans.
The ZL1 Camaro is just as quick from 0-60 and has a higher top speed than the GT500. The Camaro platform is also much better than the GT500, so track times between the ZL1 1LE and GT500 should be on par. The only area the ZL1 falls short is 1/4 mile times. An inexpesive tune will fix that.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:08 PM   #50
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I agree with this for the most part. GM does not seem to want to invest in the Camaro in any significant way. I mean, it doesn't make sense: the car has a few more model years and the sales are, and have been, low for it...

Unless GM can roll the investment into another vehicle, to help spread the costs, they likely wont do anything.

The SS 1LE, ZL1 and ZL1 1LE already provide a lot of performance and cover many competitors.

I'd love to see a 7,200 RPM LT-based, 500HP+ powered (NA) ZL1 1LE, but that's something GM simply will not do at this point. [Basically a street GT4.R]
Agreed ^ they pretty much have every aspect covered already. The ZL1 is so good already I don't see an NA Camaro being able to out duel it on the track so why build a track focused model that the GT car can beat. Also eventually the cost would probably get to close to the ZL1

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Camaro has nothing to directly compete with the NA GT350R, the ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE are not its competition. The SS Camaro takes on the Mustang GT, The SS1LE takes on the GT350, all are naturally aspirated. A 500 horse SS1LE (or a Z28) would be a natural competitor to the GT350R. The ZL1 and the ZL1 1LE have had no Ford supercharged competition. Now that the GT500 is here, The ZL1 and the 1LE finally has a Ford direct competitor and Camaro better start to worry about being 110 horses shy and no DCT trans.
I agree they have nothing really that lines up directly against it, but who knows if the GT350 will be available past MY 19 or 20.
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I think they should just make the SS 1LE include the LT2. Make it an $8500 option instead of the $7500 that the current 1LE is and you've got an even better track car.
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:16 PM   #52
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The ZL1 Camaro is just as quick from 0-60 and has a higher top speed than the GT500. The Camaro platform is also much better than the GT500, so track times between the ZL1 1LE and GT500 should be on par. The only area the ZL1 falls short is 1/4 mile times. An inexpesive tune will fix that.
There is no way a ZL1 will 0-60 as quick as a DCT trans 760 hp Mustang GT500 both on OE tires.. Your dreaming bud . And what is the top speed of a full aero ZL1 1LE ? I dont know but its not much more than the GT500. The Aero and probably the gearing thats limiting the so unimportant top speed MPH of the GT500. The GT500 should whip it in any drag contest and and at least equal it on a road course. The ZL1 needs the LT5 to be successfully competitive and a DCT. Why do you think Ford decided on a DCT rather than there own very recent co-developed wonderful 10 speed auto. Ford should be on top and has the price to go with it. Would I spend 80k on a GT500 versus a ZL1 in the 60's, no but I expect to loose at the stop light street action and on the 1/4 mile track. The GT500 should be a killer on roll racing also.
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Old 07-22-2019, 01:21 PM   #53
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I think they should just make the SS 1LE include the LT2. Make it an $8500 option instead of the $7500 that the current 1LE is and you've got an even better track car.
Agree, agree , agree we do not need a Z28, a 495 hp SS1LE, rear seat delete, and remove weight, options like the GT350R.
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There is no way a ZL1 will 0-60 as quick as a DCT trans 760 hp Mustang GT500 both on OE tires.. Your dreaming bud . And what is the top speed of a full aero ZL1 1LE ? I dont know but its not much more than the GT500. The Aero and probably the gearing thats limiting the so unimportant top speed MPH of the GT500. The GT500 should whip it in any drag contest and and at least equal it on a road course. The ZL1 needs the LT5 to be successfully competitive and a DCT. Why do you think Ford decided on a DCT rather than there own very recent co-developed wonderful 10 speed auto. Ford should be on top and has the price to go with it. Would I spend 80k on a GT500 versus a ZL1 in the 60's, no but I expect to loose at the stop light street action and on the 1/4 mile track. The GT500 should be a killer on roll racing also.
Both have been quoted as 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. It's not a dream, BUD. The GT500 is electronically limited, the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE are not, Bud.
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