[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The thing has been running around for almost a year. I'm sure it's more than ready to go. For some reason, GM just doesn't want to reveal 6th gen Camaros at auto shows any more.

The ZL1 was revealed at NY and the 1LE at Chicago. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

The ZL1 was revealed at NY and the 1LE at Chicago. I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

The ZL1 was shown at the Turbo 4 reveal and the 1LE was revealed before Chicago. Chicago was just its first public appearance.

[fradaj]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The thing has been running around for almost a year. I'm sure it's more than ready to go. For some reason, GM just doesn't want to reveal 6th gen Camaros at auto shows any more.

Might cannibalize sales of the ZL1 or 1LE if the Z/28 is revealed too early.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by fradaj

Might cannibalize sales of the ZL1 or 1LE if the Z/28 is revealed too early.

Not likely....at least not noticeably anyways...Those who want one are probably waiting as it is (or have bought a 1LE for the time being)....

If it's built like a Z/28, it'll be very sparse on the interior...not attractive to the same sort of person looking at a ZL1....

And if it's priced like a Z/28, it could very well be nearly twice the price of a SS/1LE...not attractive to....well, most people.

But for the 1500 or so special people who get one, it'll be just right, blisteringly fast, and worth every penny.

[mkorgan]

So I heard a rumor (from someone within the management group @ Daytona Speedway Inc) that Chevy is could be targeting the Rolex24 @ Daytona to unveil the ZR-1 Vette. Could they do both the ZR-1 and Z/28. If the Z/28 has the same LS5 that we are hearing is in the ZR-1, that would be really cool. They both seem to have radical aero and would look awesome sitting side by side.

[MuhThugga]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

And if it's priced like a Z/28, it could very well be nearly twice the price of a SS/1LE...not attractive to....well, most people.

That's a 5th Gen thing. Before the 5th Gen retardation, the Z/28 wasn't absurdly priced above everything else. And given how 2015 Z/28s are still sitting on dealer lots with $20,000 discounts, I doubt GM would make that same pricing mistake again.

Of course, this is GM we are talking about, so anything is possible.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

That's a 5th Gen thing. Before the 5th Gen retardation, the Z/28 wasn't absurdly priced above everything else. And given how 2015 Z/28s are still sitting on dealer lots with $20,000 discounts, I doubt GM would make that same pricing mistake again.

Of course, this is GM we are talking about, so anything is possible.

The same people are in charge of the program...the same formulas have been followed...so I wouldn't expect much to change with respect to the Z/28, either.

The biggest mistake with the Z/28 in Gen 5...wasn't its price. They just built too many...overestimated the demand...Track cars are extremely niche...should have only produced 500 per year...IMHO.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

That's a 5th Gen thing. Before the 5th Gen retardation, the Z/28 wasn't absurdly priced above everything else. And given how 2015 Z/28s are still sitting on dealer lots with $20,000 discounts, I doubt GM would make that same pricing mistake again.

Of course, this is GM we are talking about, so anything is possible.

I'll keep repeating this until I no longer have to:

Halo cars are built to sell the rest of the lineup, not themselves. The fact that the Z/28 barely sold doesn't matter so much as how good it was at selling everything else.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

That's a 5th Gen thing. Before the 5th Gen retardation, the Z/28 wasn't absurdly priced above everything else. And given how 2015 Z/28s are still sitting on dealer lots with $20,000 discounts, I doubt GM would make that same pricing mistake again.

Of course, this is GM we are talking about, so anything is possible.

You can't really compare a 5th gen Z/28 to any other Zs, especially the Z28s of the 4th gen. Those cars were just the V8 car with a Z28 slapped on the side. They weren't built for track performance. The 1st gen Z/28s are the closest thing we have, and they were far less advanced than the 5th gen Zs. If GM continues to build Z/28s, like the 5th gen version, people will get accustomed to $70+k Camaros and the shock will wear off. Then, the performance will be the biggest issue.

[MuhThugga]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

The same people are in charge of the program...the same formulas have been followed...so I wouldn't expect much to change with respect to the Z/28, either.

The biggest mistake with the Z/28 in Gen 5...wasn't its price. They just built too many...overestimated the demand...Track cars are extremely niche...should have only produced 500 per year...IMHO.

It's price was definitely the problem. No one was going to pay $75,000 for a vehicle when one sitting right next to it would outrun it all while having an AC and radio.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I'll keep repeating this until I no longer have to:

Halo cars are built to sell the rest of the lineup, not themselves. The fact that the Z/28 barely sold doesn't matter so much as how good it was at selling everything else.

Yeah, that must be why the Z/28 was released at the tailend of the 5th Gen run: to sell all of those 10, 11, 12, and 13 Camaros.

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

You can't really compare a 5th gen Z/28 to any other Zs, especially the Z28s of the 4th gen. Those cars were just the V8 car with a Z28 slapped on the side. They weren't built for track performance. The 1st gen Z/28s are the closest thing we have, and they were far less advanced than the 5th gen Zs. If GM continues to build Z/28s, like the 5th gen version, people will get accustomed to $70+k Camaros and the shock will wear off. Then, the performance will be the biggest issue.

Every modern car is much more advanced than its 1960s counterpart.
And I doubt people will get accustomed to a $75K Camaro since the $37K Camaros are sitting.

[hotlap]

MuhThugga. Why didn't the Z/28 sell in high numbers when the price was discounted $20k? Driving a full out, teeth rattling track car isn't everyone's thing. That's why we have a 1LE and ZL1.

[Mr. Wyndham]

You don't like it...I get that. But you really aren't making much sense.

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

It's price was definitely the problem. No one was going to pay $75,000 for a vehicle when one sitting right next to it would outrun it all while having an AC and radio.

1800 people did.

It's not about being the fastest. If it was, we'd all be saving up for LaFerraris, right?

It's a track car. It has one reason to exist: To tackle track days. Find another car with that equipment, that goal, and that engineering focus...and you'll also find it costs twice or three times as much. And with that said - there is a tiny, tiny market for such a car.

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

Yeah, that must be why the Z/28 was released at the tailend of the 5th Gen run: to sell all of those 10, 11, 12, and 13 Camaros.

Nope. You don't seem to realize that Camaros and Corvettes make the news. The news reports on the CHEVROLET Camaros and CHEVROLET Corvettes...that gets people reading the word CHEVROLET. Some will need a new car someday...and remember that they read about a CHEVROLET. Others will actually go to dealers to see one...and leave with a Sonic.

The benefit is not so narrow-minded as the Camaro, alone.

Cars like these also serve as a test-bed for new Technologies. Have you noticed that the new Colorado ZR2 happens to be sporting an improved version of the DSSV dampers that debuted on the Z/28?

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

Every modern car is much more advanced than its 1960s counterpart.
And I doubt people will get accustomed to a $75K Camaro since the $37K Camaros are sitting.

Different strokes for different folks. I'm sure many thought that we'd never see $100,000 Corvettes...


I think that perhaps your real issue is that it's called a "Z/28". Maybe it's a sore spot that being so expensive; you, I, and many others can't justify buying the nameplate. I felt the same way at first...then I realized how awesome it was that a "Z/28" was impressing the world over.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by MuhThugga

Every modern car is much more advanced than its 1960s counterpart.
And I doubt people will get accustomed to a $75K Camaro since the $37K Camaros are sitting.

I know modern cars are much more advanced than their 60s counterparts. What I meant is the 5th gen Z/28 was much more advanced than the base SS, than the 69 was to its base V8.

[MrChrisLS3]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

The same people are in charge of the program...the same formulas have been followed...so I wouldn't expect much to change with respect to the Z/28, either.

The biggest mistake with the Z/28 in Gen 5...wasn't its price. They just built too many...overestimated the demand...Track cars are extremely niche...should have only produced 500 per year...IMHO.

This is all true, except for one tiny part of the formula...the LS7. That was an engine that had been in production for six years. The R&D and all of that type of overhead had already been paid. It was an engine that didn't have a car. I agree that they should've kept the production to 500. It is a very niche car, I would daily drive one,(w/ ac option of course) but I'm weird like that.

Originally Posted by DGthe3

I'll keep repeating this until I no longer have to:

Halo cars are built to sell the rest of the lineup, not themselves. The fact that the Z/28 barely sold doesn't matter so much as how good it was at selling everything else.

To be sure. GM would like nothing better than to read a headline like "Just when you thought it couldn't get any better...".

I can only hope for one of two things. Either they build a Z/28 priced for the masses, or make the car so bad ass and special that it drives the price of the 5th gen Z/28 into the dirt so I can get one of those...