[Rob3D]

Originally Posted by jdsblueray2013

I disagree starting this thread on a "car" forum. Totally off topic. And we shouldn't take a poll to judge something most of us don't know the real facts.

You should have voted on the poll asking what kind of forum this thread should have been placed in. Oh wait, there wasn't one because I could give a shit less where you think I should post anything. If you didn't have anything productive to add to the conversation, then why not keep your big mouth shut?

[Rob3D]

Originally Posted by scoticus.rex

I was not stating the jury verdict here, I was stating my opinion. He is not guilty of 1st degree murder in my opinion and I believe the prosecutor was over-reaching with this charge. I think 2nd degree murder would have been a more appropriate charge. 1st degree murder requires premeditation. You planned to go out and kill someone. 2nd degree murder is spur of the moment. You got pissed off and decided to kill someone at that point in time. So unless the prosecutor was convinced that Mr. Dunn went out that day with the intent of killing someone, it is going to be really difficult to convict him on a 1st degree murder charge regardless of other circumstances in the case.

Agreed. Even though premeditation could have been seconds before the act. This guy just made a looooooooong list bad decisions. Real bad decisions.

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by scoticus.rex

I was not stating the jury verdict here, I was stating my opinion. He is not guilty of 1st degree murder in my opinion and I believe the prosecutor was over-reaching with this charge. I think 2nd degree murder would have been a more appropriate charge. 1st degree murder requires premeditation. You planned to go out and kill someone. 2nd degree murder is spur of the moment. You got pissed off and decided to kill someone at that point in time. So unless the prosecutor was convinced that Mr. Dunn went out that day with the intent of killing someone, it is going to be really difficult to convict him on a 1st degree murder charge regardless of other circumstances in the case.

You've obviously never have been around magistrates or know the law.

When magistrates initially charge someone, they have to charge them with the highest appropriate charge because of the way the law is written. In the case of a murder, even if they think it was an accident which is 3rd degree, they have to charge him with 1st degree. The reason being is they can always lessen the charge but they can not increase it. If you've ever been chosen for jury duty, you're told this before hand. If you think someone is guilty but don't think the evidence supports 1st degree, you can find him guilty of a lesser charge like 2nd, 3rd, or manslaughter.

[Front Runner]

Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ

I don't even know why it took this long. The man is guilty. The guy goes to his car gets his gun, goes back to the unarmed kids car and unloads the entire magazine. Picks up his wife and orders a pizza. Why are we even debating this.

Sent from my Transformer

Originally Posted by scoticus.rex

Not Guilt on 1st Degree Murder. That is a common over reach by the prosecutor. If the prosecutor retries him for 1st Degree again, he will mistrial or lose again.

2nd Degree is debatable as to whether or not you buy his self defense scenario. Don't know all the facts and was not there, so I will leave that as an open question.

Guilty as convicted for the attempted murder charges. Once they were fleeing and he kept shooting into the fleeing vehicle, he crossed the line from self defense.

I would say that his not having called the police on the spot leaves me suspicious of his intentions and leads me to believe he knew at a minimum that he had crossed the line.

Just my two cents on the issue.

Originally Posted by scoticus.rex

I was not stating the jury verdict here, I was stating my opinion. He is not guilty of 1st degree murder in my opinion and I believe the prosecutor was over-reaching with this charge. I think 2nd degree murder would have been a more appropriate charge. 1st degree murder requires premeditation. You planned to go out and kill someone. 2nd degree murder is spur of the moment. You got pissed off and decided to kill someone at that point in time. So unless the prosecutor was convinced that Mr. Dunn went out that day with the intent of killing someone, it is going to be really difficult to convict him on a 1st degree murder charge regardless of other circumstances in the case.

If they come at him again with 2nd degree murder, I think he'll be found guilty.

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

You've obviously never have been around magistrates or know the law.

When magistrates initially charge someone, they have to charge them with the highest appropriate charge because of the way the law is written. In the case of a murder, even if they think it was an accident which is 3rd degree, they have to charge him with 1st degree. The reason being is they can always lessen the charge but they can not increase it. If you've ever been chosen for jury duty, you're told this before hand. If you think someone is guilty but don't think the evidence supports 1st degree, you can find him guilty of a lesser charge like 2nd, 3rd, or manslaughter.

Didn't follow this trial that close, did the judge give the jury those options?

[SSmoothie]

Originally Posted by GbrilliantQ

I don't even know why it took this long. The man is guilty. The guy goes to his car gets his gun, goes back to the unarmed kids car and unloads the entire magazine. Picks up his wife and orders a pizza. Why are we even debating this.

Sent from my Transformer

Because at certain situations you could be found innocent.

[jshaf]

I wander if the music was different would he have been adgitated enough to do what he did? I know if it were hard rock I probably would have told them to turn it up. I listen to my stuff pretty loud at times, never had anyone give me greif!