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Old 05-06-2022, 05:41 PM   #15
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That's all I need is to have to pay yet another Apple tax every month for my radio to work, or have it standardized around Android and just not really work well with my iPhone. No thanks.

I bought the Nav because I've been to places where there's no cellphone signal and needed to rely on built-in nav to leave my destination. Apple/Google maps work great when you are in cell range. If you have no signal, and you didn't get directions before you left cell range, then you are SOL until you find a signal.

Another issue is that I've had vehicles and phones long enough to know that if the vehicle and phone are from the same era, they work fine as long as the the software doesn't change. Get a newer vehicle, newer phone, or new OS on your phone, and slowly but surely it will become less and less compatible over time. My iphone XS worked great with my 2014 Jeep GC when both were new. Now, everytime the OS updates, music has gotten more and more unreliable, laggy, and terrible experience. Nav works okay, but the audio is unpredictably loud sometimes. The same phone worked fine in my 2021 Camaro until iOS 15 dropped. Now, frequently I will tell Carplay to play a specific track, it will just ****ing ignore me like a petulant child and play whatever song it wants. Siri told me twice yesterday that Nine Inch Nails: Head Like a Hole doesn't exist at all.

Not life or death, but it's a small amount of money to have guaranteed navigation that works even if my phone is broken, stolen, out of range, wigging out, incompatible, etc. No judgement for anyone that is satisfied with just relying on their phones, but the option was 0.83% of the total purchase price.
If you look at my post history, I'm the biggest factory nav proponent here mostly because of the proper integration (DIC, HUD) and 100% availability. Heck, it led me astray fewer times than google maps (yup), and I use it 95% of the time even though I also have wireless android auto, which is likely the best phone based car solution available (just plop the phone on the wireless charger or into the $5 phone net I installed, tap AA on the screen, done).

The problem is that car companies can't attract the necessary level of talent, nor are they willing to maintain a high enough quality and update frequency to seriously compete in this area. I wish these OEM systems were better and updated properly, but that's not gonna happen.

One of the main reasons behind Tesla's success is that Musk recognized this reluctance and the gap it created, and replaced those "business as usual" 10-15 year old car infotainment systems with top notch software updated almost weekly. I don't like his cars at all, but one must recognize true (not bullshit) progress no matter where it's coming from.

So this is why I'm saying the only realistic way ahead is building infotainment systems on top of a phone OS base. Neither gm nor any other manufacturer will invest anything serious into competing with android or apple OS.
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Old 05-06-2022, 05:46 PM   #16
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Nah, IMO the best solution is to build the infotainment platform on an existing phone OS, turning it into a special "tablet-like" device integrated with the rest of the car (HUD, DIC and all other hardware) that is fully supported by phone OS providers, which is what's happening.
As a software developer, I disagree. If you ship a vehicle with something like that, where it actually has to do more legwork to render and display stuff, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to keep it updated.

The "best" solution, IMHO, is to provide a ubiquitous API that allows EITHER Android Auto or Apple Car Play to interface with it, that is REGULARLY updated OTA. That way it's simple for either system to: broadcast information to the HUD/DIC, interface with the car's controls, etc. It also offloads the actual processing power and rendering to your phone which is - how convenient! - frequently regularly updated, as most phones now have a 3+ year update commitment from manufacturers, as well as people's own ravenous need to upgrade their phones on a 1-2 year basis.

Put the need to process and render data onto the phone, and simply have the infotainment system be a gateway for the phone to display said data onto it.

Another option to preserve what you describe? Standardize an interface, and make swappable modules that allow you to upgrade your car's infotainment system relatively easily, like upgrading the RAM or HD in your laptop. The problem manufacturers have with this is that it simply lessens your desire to upgrade to the latest and greatest car. They have no desire for you to KEEP your car any longer, so they purposefully make it such that you want to upgrade.
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Old 05-07-2022, 08:17 AM   #17
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As a software developer, I disagree. If you ship a vehicle with something like that, where it actually has to do more legwork to render and display stuff, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer to keep it updated.

The "best" solution, IMHO, is to provide a ubiquitous API that allows EITHER Android Auto or Apple Car Play to interface with it, that is REGULARLY updated OTA. That way it's simple for either system to: broadcast information to the HUD/DIC, interface with the car's controls, etc. It also offloads the actual processing power and rendering to your phone which is - how convenient! - frequently regularly updated, as most phones now have a 3+ year update commitment from manufacturers, as well as people's own ravenous need to upgrade their phones on a 1-2 year basis.

Put the need to process and render data onto the phone, and simply have the infotainment system be a gateway for the phone to display said data onto it.

Another option to preserve what you describe? Standardize an interface, and make swappable modules that allow you to upgrade your car's infotainment system relatively easily, like upgrading the RAM or HD in your laptop. The problem manufacturers have with this is that it simply lessens your desire to upgrade to the latest and greatest car. They have no desire for you to KEEP your car any longer, so they purposefully make it such that you want to upgrade.
As a fellow developer, let me disagree a bit. I see your point about the ubiquitous API, and such an open solution would be very nice, but it's unrealistic from an economic, rather than technical, perspective. As you say, car companies couldn't care less about open APIs that actually allow people to keep their older cars and just swap their phones, which is a fact, although not quite obvious, because keeping people in the dealership's service bay must be pretty lucrative, too, even compared to having them lease or buy once every 3-5 years, so there would be a business model there as well.

What would be realistic, though, is an infotainment where even the development effort is offloaded to the phone OS vendor, because then they can operate as a supplier and entire internal dev teams can be laid off at the car maker ("yay, we're saving $$$"). Now, at this point, is it in Google's or Apple's best interest to create the API you talked about, of course not, they will just want to lock you into their newly broadened ecosystem.

Actually, even AA or Carplay could function as the system you described, if they weren't so incredibly limited, which I'm sure is on purpose, too (okay, there are 2 separate APIs instead of the ubiquitous 1 you asked for, but it's still manageable). One can't even get a Torque for Android Auto app, for example. Instead, they are moving towards supplying the entire infotainment platform.
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Old 05-07-2022, 03:02 PM   #18
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As a fellow developer, let me disagree a bit. I see your point about the ubiquitous API, and such an open solution would be very nice, but it's unrealistic from an economic, rather than technical, perspective. As you say, car companies couldn't care less about open APIs that actually allow people to keep their older cars and just swap their phones, which is a fact, although not quite obvious, because keeping people in the dealership's service bay must be pretty lucrative, too, even compared to having them lease or buy once every 3-5 years, so there would be a business model there as well.

What would be realistic, though, is an infotainment where even the development effort is offloaded to the phone OS vendor, because then they can operate as a supplier and entire internal dev teams can be laid off at the car maker ("yay, we're saving $$$"). Now, at this point, is it in Google's or Apple's best interest to create the API you talked about, of course not, they will just want to lock you into their newly broadened ecosystem.

Actually, even AA or Carplay could function as the system you described, if they weren't so incredibly limited, which I'm sure is on purpose, too (okay, there are 2 separate APIs instead of the ubiquitous 1 you asked for, but it's still manageable). One can't even get a Torque for Android Auto app, for example. Instead, they are moving towards supplying the entire infotainment platform.
I think our conversation highlights two things: first, that there's more than one way to skin a cat here.

Second, that we agree that most infotainment systems are ass, and need to be better lol

I WILL say, Ill take built in Android Auto over the BS walled garden of Apple any day.
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Old 08-26-2022, 02:23 PM   #19
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This is a really cool idea and nice that it's that east to "activate" the feature within the IOS platform.
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If you look at my post history, I'm the biggest factory nav proponent here mostly because of the proper integration (DIC, HUD) and 100% availability. Heck, it led me astray fewer times than google maps (yup), and I use it 95% of the time even though I also have wireless android auto, which is likely the best phone based car solution available (just plop the phone on the wireless charger or into the $5 phone net I installed, tap AA on the screen, done).

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So this is why I'm saying the only realistic way ahead is building infotainment systems on top of a phone OS base. Neither gm nor any other manufacturer will invest anything serious into competing with android or apple OS.
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Found this site that sells an upgrade to the 2019-2022 8" infotainment system. It enables the built in NAV system and HD radio and should integrate with the DIC and HUD also.

https://www.infotainment.com/product...39602402328612

I thought I would post it in case anyone wanted to add factory NAV to their ride.

Might purchase it in the future.
Pretty cool. I already have nav... I'd love an easy plug and play way to reprogram my head unit to let me enter directions WHILE DRIVING, lol. Ooo... you're lost on a highway and need to update address? NOPE, no with android auto.. and with OEM nav you have to speak it and it's almost always saying, "You said... completely random location nowhere near what I said?" lol.
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I just added this to my Camaro. I purchased it directly from OBDGenie, who makes it, as they had a Black Friday sale and I saved $50. I tried Apple CarPlay and wasn’t crazy about the interface. It took about a minute to reprogram and it is integrated into the DIC and HUD. Leaving in a few days for a trip down to South Carolina and Florida so hopefully it will work well.
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Drove from Long Island, NY to Virginia and then to Hilton Head, SC. NAV worked flawlessly. It was nice having it integrated into the HUD.
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I recently canceled my OnStar Premium subscription and lost access to “Chevrolet Maps” included with the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PLUS” Technology Package for $900 option with my LT1. Is this upgrade the equivalent of the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PREMIUM WITH NAVIGATION” option for $495 as listed on a 2SS? I prefer not to rely on Navigation that requires a monthly bill.
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Old 09-08-2023, 09:30 PM   #24
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I recently canceled my OnStar Premium subscription and lost access to “Chevrolet Maps” included with the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PLUS” Technology Package for $900 option with my LT1. Is this upgrade the equivalent of the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PREMIUM WITH NAVIGATION” option for $495 as listed on a 2SS? I prefer not to rely on Navigation that requires a monthly bill.

It does not require a monthly subscription. Go to the website I posted and take a look.


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quick question Sorry to bump the thread, but did the OBD genie bring the speed limit to your gauges ?,

[QUOTE=SS_Don;11357080]It does not require a monthly subscription. Go to the website I posted and take a look.
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Add NAV to 2019 - 2022 Models

Not that I have seen.

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