05-06-2022, 05:41 PM | #15 | |
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The problem is that car companies can't attract the necessary level of talent, nor are they willing to maintain a high enough quality and update frequency to seriously compete in this area. I wish these OEM systems were better and updated properly, but that's not gonna happen. One of the main reasons behind Tesla's success is that Musk recognized this reluctance and the gap it created, and replaced those "business as usual" 10-15 year old car infotainment systems with top notch software updated almost weekly. I don't like his cars at all, but one must recognize true (not bullshit) progress no matter where it's coming from. So this is why I'm saying the only realistic way ahead is building infotainment systems on top of a phone OS base. Neither gm nor any other manufacturer will invest anything serious into competing with android or apple OS.
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05-06-2022, 05:46 PM | #16 | |
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The "best" solution, IMHO, is to provide a ubiquitous API that allows EITHER Android Auto or Apple Car Play to interface with it, that is REGULARLY updated OTA. That way it's simple for either system to: broadcast information to the HUD/DIC, interface with the car's controls, etc. It also offloads the actual processing power and rendering to your phone which is - how convenient! - frequently regularly updated, as most phones now have a 3+ year update commitment from manufacturers, as well as people's own ravenous need to upgrade their phones on a 1-2 year basis. Put the need to process and render data onto the phone, and simply have the infotainment system be a gateway for the phone to display said data onto it. Another option to preserve what you describe? Standardize an interface, and make swappable modules that allow you to upgrade your car's infotainment system relatively easily, like upgrading the RAM or HD in your laptop. The problem manufacturers have with this is that it simply lessens your desire to upgrade to the latest and greatest car. They have no desire for you to KEEP your car any longer, so they purposefully make it such that you want to upgrade.
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05-07-2022, 08:17 AM | #17 | |
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What would be realistic, though, is an infotainment where even the development effort is offloaded to the phone OS vendor, because then they can operate as a supplier and entire internal dev teams can be laid off at the car maker ("yay, we're saving $$$"). Now, at this point, is it in Google's or Apple's best interest to create the API you talked about, of course not, they will just want to lock you into their newly broadened ecosystem. Actually, even AA or Carplay could function as the system you described, if they weren't so incredibly limited, which I'm sure is on purpose, too (okay, there are 2 separate APIs instead of the ubiquitous 1 you asked for, but it's still manageable). One can't even get a Torque for Android Auto app, for example. Instead, they are moving towards supplying the entire infotainment platform.
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05-07-2022, 03:02 PM | #18 | |
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Second, that we agree that most infotainment systems are ass, and need to be better lol I WILL say, Ill take built in Android Auto over the BS walled garden of Apple any day.
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08-26-2022, 02:23 PM | #19 |
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This is a really cool idea and nice that it's that east to "activate" the feature within the IOS platform.
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11-24-2022, 11:20 AM | #21 |
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I just added this to my Camaro. I purchased it directly from OBDGenie, who makes it, as they had a Black Friday sale and I saved $50. I tried Apple CarPlay and wasn’t crazy about the interface. It took about a minute to reprogram and it is integrated into the DIC and HUD. Leaving in a few days for a trip down to South Carolina and Florida so hopefully it will work well.
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11-27-2022, 07:26 PM | #22 |
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Drove from Long Island, NY to Virginia and then to Hilton Head, SC. NAV worked flawlessly. It was nice having it integrated into the HUD.
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09-07-2023, 08:31 PM | #23 |
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I recently canceled my OnStar Premium subscription and lost access to “Chevrolet Maps” included with the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PLUS” Technology Package for $900 option with my LT1. Is this upgrade the equivalent of the “CHEVROLET INFOTAINMENT 3 PREMIUM WITH NAVIGATION” option for $495 as listed on a 2SS? I prefer not to rely on Navigation that requires a monthly bill.
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09-08-2023, 09:30 PM | #24 | |
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It does not require a monthly subscription. Go to the website I posted and take a look. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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11-07-2023, 12:01 AM | #25 |
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quick question Sorry to bump the thread, but did the OBD genie bring the speed limit to your gauges ?,
[QUOTE=SS_Don;11357080]It does not require a monthly subscription. Go to the website I posted and take a look. |
11-07-2023, 12:50 PM | #26 |
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Add NAV to 2019 - 2022 Models
Not that I have seen.
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