[NG329]

This little maggot almost beat me. It had 580hp, sequential gearbox, and completely stripped down. If he had 200rpm more he would have beaten me. He hit the limiter. hahahahaha

[RobZL1]

Originally Posted by cvp33

I know just not me. Got sick of running 9 or 10 seconds and then just sitting in the pits. Road racing is so much more fun and rewarding when you get it right. Comparing your 1/4 mile times to John Force is pretty unlikely. Getting your Corvette within a few ticks of Randy Probat or Mero though is pretty cool. Sadly some on here just don’t get it. GM gives them the most capable road car and they just drive it in a straight line. LOL

I guess I just don't get it then. Apparently guys like ZL1Atlanta don't get it either.

Or, maybe you don't get it that not everyone thinks exactly like you do. Everyone enjoys their cars differently. If LeonardS wants his to sit in the garage for 20 years with 32 miles, good for him. If I want to drive mine to the grocery store and straight line race, good for me. If you want to take it to the road course every day, good for you.

[JTS]

Originally Posted by NG329

For the first time last year I went drag/roll racing. It was a fun day honestly. I probably wouldn't invest too much money into it but it was exciting and I duffed up a Challenger in a roll race.







I think with pure drag racing it really comes down to one's skill launching the car. And with today's technology - paddle shift etc., it's almost like a lost art form. I wish I could have experienced drag racing in the 70s-80s in all of its glory. Those must've been some fun times.

NG329 , RobZL1 , Yes they were very fun times , I had fun with my Dad , til he couldn't anymore, I started in 1976 and continued til 2003 . I took a long hiatious and now because of age I go out a half dozen times a year , last year with my 22 1SS , and this year my ZL1 .
It nice to see Drag Racing guys , and enthusiast comment in a positive manner .

[cvp33]

Originally Posted by NG329

The ZR1 was on lesser tires genius.

Reread this thread in its entirety and try to comprehend it.

Technically yes. Anything over 130 is considered genius so 163 is definitely higher. As for tire excuses…..I thought we were racers? Even Mero wouldn’t do that. He called the C8Z better stating it would be the first GM car to break 7 mins at the ‘ring. Not the ZR1…… so sorry for that sobering bit of news.

As for burnouts pix……sorry fellas, not my scene.

[JG853]

First - Jim Mero in the video I posted said that GM had already produced a sub 7 m in car. In fact, he stated his segmented time was 6:53X and if not but for an obstructed lap, he would have (He never got a chance to warm up his tires and ran 7:04).

I can post that podcast of Jim noting all of this in more detail along with the other podcast I previously did again if you would like.

You are flat our wrong.

Originally Posted by cvp33

Technically yes. Anything over 130 is considered genius so 163 is definitely higher. As for tire excuses…..I thought we were racers? Even Mero wouldn’t do that. He called the C8Z better stating it would be the first GM car to break 7 mins at the ‘ring. Not the ZR1…… so sorry for that sobering bit of news.

As for burnouts pix……sorry fellas, not my scene.

[Camfab]

Do you recall what this post was originally asking……. Nothing about the Z06, no track times. Notice he never even came back…..
The reality of all this dialogue is meaningless, unless every car was tested at the exact same day in the exact same conditions, none of it is relevant. The fact that you have different drivers makes it inconclusive data as well. Enjoy whatever car floats your boat, soon enough all of this will be gone, and some kid will be taking your keys away for being some crazy wacko that likes internal combustion,.

[cvp33]

Sorry, but again you’re wrong. Here’s the GMAuthority article I already quoted below. Not some turdcast with your failing memory genius. Also, not sure what you’re so defensive about as you just want to go fast in a straight line. You don’t need a modern chassis to do that or a steering wheel for that matter. Just mash the gas, wait 1,320 feet and then mash the brakes. ME isn’t the best weapon for you anyway.

[JG853]

First - The C7 Z06 did run a 7:10 on Cup2 tires. As Jim and others noted in the previous podcast I posted, the Cup2R tires have proven to be 12+ seconds faster (All other things considered) than the Cup2.

Jim also noted he had run a 7:04 in the C7 ZR1 on cold tires! His segmented time was 6:53X on tires made in 2013|! Now install a set of Cup2Rs on it and you are likely 14 seconds faster (All other things equal).
You can listen to his laps at The Ring regarding the C7 Z06 and C7 ZR1 here - https://podcasts.adorilabs.com/corve...9kEPiivUWI8ER2

What he is saying in his quote is that the Cup2R tires have made a huge difference in the C8 Z06 as he noted in the other podcast I posted (Along with the other advances I have noted in the C8 Platform). Previously, the Cup2R were called HERO LAP TIRES by us GM owners when Porsche used them on the GT2RS at The Ring (I posted that podcast previously). By the way, he had the opportunity to be on the C8 Engineering team and passed it up for the C7 ZR1 development.

What time has the C8 Z06 run at The Ring? If it ran a sub 7 min lap, do you think GM would not promote that immediately?

Back to the OP - Either a ZLE or a C7 Z06 are excellent choices. If you have the means, the C7 ZR1 is still The King. Now, if the C8 ZR1 is released that will be the car to get in the C8 Platform (But it will weigh 3800 pounds)...

Originally Posted by cvp33

Sorry, but again you’re wrong. Here’s the GMAuthority article I already quoted below. Not some turdcast with your failing memory genius. Also, not sure what you’re so defensive about as you just want to go fast in a straight line. You don’t need a modern chassis to do that or a steering wheel for that matter. Just mash the gas, wait 1,320 feet and then mash the brakes. ME isn’t the best weapon for you anyway.

[cvp33]

I absolutely agree with Mero. The C8Z is the superior car for road racing and will be the first GM product to break the 7 min mark at the ‘ring. The ZR1 will be fine for 1/4 mile due to its inferior FE chassis and apparently tire. But why would you pay $150K for the ZR1 with 2019 tire tech, no warranty and again very limited chassis so you could finish second to the new CZ8. That would be stupid. What would your 5 year cost of ownership look like? That old ZR1 is going to drop like a rock not only because the new ZR1 is coming, but because the new Z06 already crushes it.

The new CZ8 doesn’t have the limitations of the FE chassis, comes with a warranty and is already faster on a road course and 0-60 than the deposed and supposed ‘king’ ZR1. Also, why invest in the dinosaur when a new ZR1 is coming anyway. Doesn’t make any sense, but a fool and his money……

C8Z is the superior car if you want to road race. Especially being N/A and having a ME chassis. Besides, all you guys want to do is go fast in a straight line. Just stick with a Camaro or Mustang and you can make ‘em go fast for 9 or 10 seconds. Supercharged engines and FE chassis are fine for short runs like that.

[JG853]

LOL - OK. You have proven to all here in this thread that you have no idea what you are talking about as well as have an inherent reading comprehension problem.

Listen to the podcast above - As Mero indicated GM already has developed Corvettes that are sub 7 min at The Ring. Jim Mero has gone on record to say that the FE design was not maxed out (There is a podcast on this as well). Tires are consumables (I have written this before in this thread) and Cup2Rs are being made in other sizes. They will produce 35,000 plus C8 Z06s - They made 2953 C7 ZR1s - You think a C8 Z06 will hold it's value? The only C7 ZR1 for $150K you will find is a Spring Mountain car. You can mod the C7 Platform. At this time, even with a Procharged 700 HP C8 Stingray, you still are piggybacking the tune and then the car can not be updated as the some of the control modules are not able to communicate properly. Finally, nothing wrong with a ZR1 or ZLE - They both have the appropriate cooling. All you need for a C7 Z06 is Lou's fix (when he owned LG).

You can not fix your Sorry to the OP for all of this.

Originally Posted by cvp33

I absolutely agree with Mero. The C8Z is the superior car for road racing and will be the first GM product to break the 7 min mark at the ‘ring. The ZR1 will be fine for 1/4 mile due to its inferior FE chassis and apparently tire. But why would you pay $150K for the ZR1 with 2019 tire tech, no warranty and again very limited chassis so you could finish second to the new CZ8. That would be stupid. What would your 5 year cost of ownership look like? That old ZR1 is going to drop like a rock not only because the new ZR1 is coming, but because the new Z06 already crushes it.

The new CZ8 doesn’t have the limitations of the FE chassis, comes with a warranty and is already faster on a road course and 0-60 than the deposed and supposed ‘king’ ZR1. Also, why invest in the dinosaur when a new ZR1 is coming anyway. Doesn’t make any sense, but a fool and his money……

C8Z is the superior car if you want to road race. Especially being N/A and having a ME chassis. Besides, all you guys want to do is go fast in a straight line. Just stick with a Camaro or Mustang and you can make ‘em go fast for 9 or 10 seconds. Supercharged engines and FE chassis are fine for short runs like that.

[cvp33]

LOL indeed. You’ve proven that you don’t understand how money works. Go read rich dad poor dad again.

Used ZR1 = same price as a new Z06. Why but the slower, out dated car with no warranty and inferior chassis…that would be stupid.

[cvp33]

Reasons to buy a $150K C8Z:

- Mero himself stated it’s a better car
- Quicker 0-60
- Faster on a road course
- Better chassis
- Better tech
- Better resale
- Full warranty

Reasons to buy a used $150K ZR1:

- Someone who’s never even owned a Z06 and drives his Camaro in a straight line said you should. There’s great advice. LOL

Hmmmm. I think we can all see how logical your argument is JG853. Sorry folks but you’re getting too emotional for me……feel like I’m trying to reason with my wife. Let’s try and stick to the facts here. But if you want to throw $150K into the worse performing car……well have at it. The ZR1 WILL BE FASTER at depreciating though.

[Camfab]

CVP, just an honest question. Given your strong analysis above, why are you still in a Camaro?

[cvp33]

Originally Posted by Camfab

CVP, just an honest question. Given your strong analysis above, why are you still in a Camaro?

Had a 2016 Callaway Z06 followed by a 2019 Z06. Torn meniscus got me out of a 7 speed and GM’s auto 8 speed is pure crap. Shifts too slow and overheats on track. New CZ8 is on order but I’m #32 at Hendricks and they estimate I’m a year away from build. 2021 ZL1 ZLE A10 should hold value until then. Paid $71K OTD with 6K on miles on it. Cheapest ZLE I can find under 10K miles is close to $72K before TTT. Once my CZ8 comes in, it’ll be for sale. I tend to go through vehicles every 2 to 3 years.