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GM isn’t going to publish their numbers, neither will dealerships. Believe none of that.
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07-11-2020, 05:38 PM | #185 | |
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Also, most of my negotiation happened over texting in my case, so no BFF small talk or anything like that. With the pandemic, text/email sales will start growing so if you hate face-to-face transactions with a salesman, there you go. Honestly, if you are that serious about your hard-earned money, buy used. Even a lightly used car is a better deal. If I really don't want to play games, I just go to a private seller. Done. No drama and better value.
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07-11-2020, 06:58 PM | #187 |
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You could always get the car checked out before buying it.
My RX-8 and Corvette were both used. Never an issue. Sent from toaster or something
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And if you're willing to spend that to check the car out, then don't bother doing it and bank the money for when they need to be done. My biggest concern with a used manual would be... If the car still had warranty life on it, would items be denied due to the dealership finding something in the car that was otherwise "fine" but caused by the previous owner? Was the car ever tuned (even if it was restored - dealerships can tell)? CPO programs are a paperwork process. Yes, there are specific "minimums" that have to be met like certain amount of tire tread, but it's largely a 20 minute process to check off boxes that things "work." They also offer little in the way of additional coverage on cars overall. There is a LOT of tech in cars today, and it's really expensive to repair if it breaks because everything is intertwined. I had a Ford that was throwing errors about the ABS, forward collision system, and something about a 911 system. They traced it to a bad board on the power amp that was related to the voice recognition system. I was able to get the dealership to replace it under the CPO because I argued that it was a safety item (it disabled significant safety features). Otherwise, they would have denied it. That was something like a $1500 repair because they had to partially dismantle the rear of the car to get to the amp. |
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If there is a problem with the transmission, you could have probably figured it out during test drive. Clutch is for sure trickier to check, but worst case scenario, it's a $1k~$1.5k job(RWD cars tend to actually be a bit cheaper with this one than FWD cars). If you can get a very good price on a used Camaro, it's not the end of the world to shell out a little extra for a new clutch. It's not like a $1k beater Corolla that the clutch job would effectively total the car. Yes, it's a risk, but if someone hates the drama and really cares about their hard earned money, it's a viable option. And there are used units that have a few thousand miles on them that's still under warranty just like a new car if you are worried, but because they are used, they are still a better value. Quote:
I taught a friend how to drive a stick on a beater Accord. A car with close to 90k miles. Even then he didn't burn the clutch to the point we can smell it. Of course, I wouldn't really let anyone learn on the Camaro, but for different reasons, not clutch wear. If I have a beater I don't care as much about and doesn't have high power, I would be fine teaching people - what better way to save the manual than teaching others when they show interest? Sent from toaster or something
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Even the most experienced drivers can roast a brand new clutch in one slip if it’s done wrong. I’m sure the odds are slim and you’ve never had a problem, I just don’t trust people with a big powerful engine to break it in the right way and know how to handle it when driving hard. Professional drag racing teams rebuild the clutch after each run. Last edited by Petrol Head; 07-12-2020 at 12:38 PM. |
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I'll try and find it again, but according to numbers posted on this site from build counts. in 2017 and 2018 only 40% of Camaros sold were V-8s. 60% of them were lower trims. I would bet its a similar split for Mustang and Challenger.
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saw on a facebook group that prodiuction restarted a few weeks ago and they are working 5 days a week 11 hour days to rebuild inventory.
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speaking of
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yeah because they know its about to happen all over again.
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