FEELER: CUSTOM CRASH BAR

SOCAL.M6.ZLE · 09-09-2023, 11:04 AM

Hey Team,

As discussed in another thread, I was interested in a custom crash bar solution that didn't block airflow, allowed for better aesthetics with perhaps better low speed impact security based on the addition of a lower bar.

This solution would have provisions for the tow hook, and brackets for the brake ducting. Clearly there is no current solution, and I'd like to figure this out...

Question; when finished with mine, would any of you be interested in purchasing one? If I can get enough pre-orders, we will have better buying power for the fabricator.

Everything would be fabricated from steel, and would ship raw finish, so you can powder coat, or paint to the color of your choice.

Thoughts?
Any mass interest?

Z OH 6 · 09-09-2023, 11:36 AM

Let's see the final product, then I think you will be able to determine true interest. I'm intrigued though.

*radz28* · 09-09-2023, 01:15 PM

+2

Camfab · 09-09-2023, 03:23 PM

So you’re looking to create a CHP push bar type steel bumper? Maybe I need to read the other thread….

ZL1...SON · 09-09-2023, 05:04 PM

Definitely interested depending on final product and price.

Smokin19 · 09-10-2023, 06:37 AM

I am not an engineer but, if GM could have done something different they would have. Of course they had to comply with federal crash tests. I think insurance companies might not pay damages in an accident if this front bar got removed or modified. Still would like to see if there is an alternative.

SOCAL.M6.ZLE · 09-10-2023, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smokin19

I am not an engineer but, if GM could have done something different they would have. Of course they had to comply with federal crash tests. I think insurance companies might not pay damages in an accident if this front bar got removed or modified. Still would like to see if there is an alternative.

Hey Smokin, with all due respect, I think you are giving GM way too much credit... I could think of 10 things right off the top of my head, that they COULD have done, to make these cars better, and did not... homelink button right off the top would have been super easy... but nooooooo

I agree, the bar I have in mind, may not fare as well as the stock bar, but that is not the reason for this upgrade and nor was it for the others who have designed a similar, but lacking alternate solution. I'm just trying to take it one step further and move the bars out of the way completely, add provisions for the tow hook, and air ducking... I'll be sure to post photos once done... stay tuned, and thanks for the interest!

bootss · 09-10-2023, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SOCAL.M6.ZLE

Hey Smokin, with all due respect, I think you are giving GM way too much credit... I could think of 10 things right off the top of my head, that they COULD have done, to make these cars better, and did not... homelink button right off the top would have been super easy... but nooooooo

I agree, the bar I have in mind, may not fare as well as the stock bar, but that is not the reason for this upgrade and nor was it for the others who have designed a similar, but lacking alternate solution. I'm just trying to take it one step further and move the bars out of the way completely, add provisions for the tow hook, and air ducking... I'll be sure to post photos once done... stay tuned, and thanks for the interest!

Or not making the damn side skirt one part with a painted rocker.

Or making the clips for the carnards better

Or using a better hood wrap

Yeah, i could think of a few.

ZLElvira · 09-10-2023, 08:59 AM

I have no idea why they call it a "Crash Bar" as every ZL1 I have seen in a front-end crash, that huge cooling encumbrance did absolutely diddly-squat!!!

I plan on removing mine and making a mount for the air-oil cooler, removing the joke of a engine coolant to plate heat exchanger mounted on the side of the block.

Camfab · 09-10-2023, 09:47 AM

Ok, now I get it. You’re removing an existing internal structure, sorry I envisioned some clunky exterior piece, lol! Since I really haven’t studied the part, my question would be, does that piece actually provide structural integrity to the chassis as well as providing some kind of integrated crash crumple design. I don’t think that the term crash bar necessarily means it’s designed to mitigate damage to the car, it’s likely a part designed to ensure what ever destruction takes place saves the occupants.

Owl3 · 09-10-2023, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camfab

Ok, now I get it. You’re removing an existing internal structure, sorry I envisioned some clunky exterior piece, lol! Since I really haven’t studied the part, my question would be, does that piece actually provide structural integrity to the chassis as well as providing some kind of integrated crash crumple design. I don’t think that the term crash bar necessarily means it’s designed to mitigate damage to the car, it’s likely a part designed to ensure what ever destruction takes place saves the occupants.

the objective of that part (on all vehicles, not just the Camaro) is to absorb the energy of a front end crash by collapsing instead of sending the force onto the occupants

Rapid_blue_zl1_22 · 09-10-2023, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZLElvira

I have no idea why they call it a "Crash Bar" as every ZL1 I have seen in a front-end crash, that huge cooling encumbrance did absolutely diddly-squat!!!

I plan on removing mine and making a mount for the air-oil cooler, removing the joke of a engine coolant to plate heat exchanger mounted on the side of the block.

I did the PWR/C&R oil cooler and deleted the stock oil cooler (heater) on my car. It works great so far, but I haven't had it back on track yet. I went a non-conventional route and deleted the auxiliary radiator instead of the Auxiliary intercooler. So far I haven't noticed any change in engine coolant temperature, if anything it is better than before. The thought was, deleting the OEM oil cooler would heat the coolant less, making the aux radiator obsolete.

Camfab · 09-12-2023, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Owl3

the objective of that part (on all vehicles, not just the Camaro) is to absorb the energy of a front end crash by collapsing instead of sending the force onto the occupants

I think that was my point, maybe I didn’t get that across. It’s not designed to save the car. Though it may also be providing structural integrity to the chassis as well.

Smokin19 · 09-13-2023, 07:09 AM

Here is a picture of the part in question. Anyone have pic of it removed?

09-09-2023, 11:04 AM	#1
SOCAL.M6.ZLE Having FUN in the SUN... Drives: 2022 M6 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,052	FEELER: CUSTOM CRASH BAR Hey Team, As discussed in another thread, I was interested in a custom crash bar solution that didn't block airflow, allowed for better aesthetics with perhaps better low speed impact security based on the addition of a lower bar. This solution would have provisions for the tow hook, and brackets for the brake ducting. Clearly there is no current solution, and I'd like to figure this out... Question; when finished with mine, would any of you be interested in purchasing one? If I can get enough pre-orders, we will have better buying power for the fabricator. Everything would be fabricated from steel, and would ship raw finish, so you can powder coat, or paint to the color of your choice. Thoughts? Any mass interest? Attached Images __________________ 2022 M6 ZLE: Katech CNC Ported Blower + Ported Heads + 103mm TB + Oil Pump + C5R Chain + Valve Covers + Coil Relocation TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi

09-09-2023, 01:15 PM	#3
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09-09-2023, 03:23 PM	#4
Camfab Drives: ‘23 ZL1-1LE Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: SoCal Posts: 357	So you’re looking to create a CHP push bar type steel bumper? Maybe I need to read the other thread…. Last edited by Camfab; 09-09-2023 at 03:39 PM.

09-09-2023, 05:04 PM	#5
ZL1...SON Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: NW Arkansas Posts: 39	Definitely interested depending on final product and price. __________________ 2021 Camaro ZL1 Satin Steel Metallic Rotofab CAI, Banks Idash, AEM X series wideband, CSP 2" headers, Jet hot 2500 ceramic coating, DSX Flex Fuel Sensor, DMS Fender Tank, Velossatech Big Mouth, JMS Fuel Booster, MPI Billet Lid, Jokerz race port, 2.30" upper, 107mm Soler TB, 160°F Billet DMS, Big Gulp, LPE Big Bore HPFP, XDI +30, ECM & TCM tuned by Elite Tuned, Atturo 315 AZ850DR

09-10-2023, 06:37 AM	#6
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,555	I am not an engineer but, if GM could have done something different they would have. Of course they had to comply with federal crash tests. I think insurance companies might not pay damages in an accident if this front bar got removed or modified. Still would like to see if there is an alternative. __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump.

09-09-2023, 11:36 AM	#2
Z OH 6 Drives: 2021 Red Hot ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Gapplebees Posts: 3,092	Let's see the final product, then I think you will be able to determine true interest. I'm intrigued though.

09-10-2023, 08:59 AM	#9
ZLElvira Waiting 4 A Point By! Drives: 2020 ZLE, C8 Z06-Z07 2LT Carbon Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: South Carolina Posts: 52	I have no idea why they call it a "Crash Bar" as every ZL1 I have seen in a front-end crash, that huge cooling encumbrance did absolutely diddly-squat!!! I plan on removing mine and making a mount for the air-oil cooler, removing the joke of a engine coolant to plate heat exchanger mounted on the side of the block. __________________ David Wilks Patriot MotorSports Check out my Camaro ZLE videos on my YouTube Channel!!

09-10-2023, 09:47 AM	#10
Camfab Drives: ‘23 ZL1-1LE Join Date: Mar 2023 Location: SoCal Posts: 357	Ok, now I get it. You’re removing an existing internal structure, sorry I envisioned some clunky exterior piece, lol! Since I really haven’t studied the part, my question would be, does that piece actually provide structural integrity to the chassis as well as providing some kind of integrated crash crumple design. I don’t think that the term crash bar necessarily means it’s designed to mitigate damage to the car, it’s likely a part designed to ensure what ever destruction takes place saves the occupants.

09-13-2023, 07:09 AM	#14
Smokin19 Drives: 19' ZL1 A10, w/pdr Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: S.W. ohio Posts: 1,555	Here is a picture of the part in question. Anyone have pic of it removed? Attached Images __________________ BTR Stg II cam w/ 38% fuel lobe, ARH 2" headers into 3" w/cats, AWE Touring, Kong X port, Weapon X triple ht exchangers, NW 103, Rotofab big gulp, DSX lowside, TCM tune, BMR Lockout, Mustang dyno 720 rwhp, 634 rwtq on 93 pump.

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