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Old 06-18-2009, 09:53 PM   #29
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There will always be doubt. I agree that it should not be cited as fact. On the same note it should no be ignored or trivialized because there is doubt. Doubt alone does not make something untrue.
Totally agree. The problem is when people accept the evidence as undeniable truth.
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The sun will destroy the earth. No PUMA can save that.

Nothing we do is going to change when the sun decides to start chaging it's fuel element. It's gonna be like lowering some chicken into the fryer. If you think it's warm now...
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:56 PM   #31
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The sun will destroy the earth. No PUMA can save that.

Nothing we do is going to change when the sun decides to start chaging it's fuel element. It's gonna be like lowering some chicken into the fryer. If you think it's warm now...
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:00 PM   #32
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The sun will destroy the earth. No PUMA can save that.

Nothing we do is going to change when the sun decides to start chaging it's fuel element. It's gonna be like lowering some chicken into the fryer. If you think it's warm now...

Too true, but we should have a few million years before that happens. Hopefully we don't destroy the planet or kill ourselves off be fore we figure out how to get off this rock (space camaro).
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Where does that article state that "man does not have the ability to affect global temperatures"?
So you only are looking for a specific quote or you just want everyone to admit that man could change the temperature? Because I guess if we set off every nuclear warhead we had and blacked out the sun we could cool it off real quick. Is that what you wanted? Man-made global warming is politcal BS.

Here is just the last 10 years:


400,000 years:


2 billion years:
http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
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While i do love this debate i have to say guys this is not the place for it. Lets stay with camaro stuff please.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:09 PM   #35
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So you only are looking for a specific quote...?
How about any article that states anything like it?
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How about any article that states anything like it?
If you follow the link in my earlier post, then follow the links below that same graph, you'll find a whole bunch of articles.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:18 PM   #37
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Here is just the last 10 years:
What is the source of this data?

I note that "Joe D'Aleo (c)" is on the graph. Would that be this Joe D'Aleo? A retired meteorologist from the Weather Channel with no significant publications apparently worth citing?
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:20 PM   #38
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If you follow the link in my earlier post, then follow the links below that same graph, you'll find a whole bunch of articles.
Can you quote a single one of them? Because there are an awful lot of links in the link you posted (literally thousands of links), and I don't have time to waste trying to chase down every single one of them.
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"I'm just saying, there are times when "science" views things as truth then corrects itself when it finds out that it is wrong. My 2 cents"

That's pretty much how science works. Always has and it's brought us a long way. Unlike say religon that pretty much doesn't correct itself when its wrong (no offence to anyone on that one).
Its not that religious groups don't correct themselves. They just form new denominations (written by a proud Lutheran.) Wow, politics and religion, and this hasn't been shut down yet. Cool.
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I want to point out the obvious fact that global warming, according to the theory that human intervention is causing it to get worse, eventually causes an ice age. Is anyone connecting the dots that ice does not happen in hot weather?

I neither agree nor disagree with the above post. I may agree or disagree with what I point out, but I will continue to point out the obvious, correct, or pot-stirring points that will cause intellectual discussion to exist. Without intellectual discussion, we'll all be as stupid as our dealers.
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:32 PM   #41
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Can you quote a single one of them? Because there are an awful lot of links in the link you posted (literally thousands of links), and I don't have time to waste trying to chase down every single one of them.
Here you go. Took me 2 minutes

http://www.heartland.org/custom/semo.../pdf/24891.pdf

The article basically cites weaker thermohaline circulation and surrounding antarctic subsidence as the reason for global warming and not the increase in CO2
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Where does that paper say anything like "man does not have the ability to affect global temperatures" -- or even anything remotely similar to it?

And you're aware that the paper isn't even published in a peer-reviewed journal, right?
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