[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Here is the 2016

It seems as though if your a Dodge aka FCA fan these studies are lying or you hear how someone owned one and never had a problem. They all have issues some more than others and numbers don't lie.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

It seems as though if your a Dodge aka FCA fan these studies are lying or you hear how someone owned one and never had a problem. They all have issues some more than others and numbers don't lie.

I know the JD Power results have caught flak over including "infotainment" issues in these reports. You always hear how wonderful Uconnect is(which it wasn't to me), so clearly these reports must be real issues. Or maybe it's only old people who complain about anything buying FCA cars. Either way, FCA is generally viewed as having poor quality and reliability.

[96MrBass]

I realize that some of these complaints " maybe" small minor things but year after year with below average vehicle's. Not sure how anyone could overlook that rather you love the looks of a particular vehicle or not.

[motorhead]

So fiat can build trucks but nothing else. Interesting.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by motorhead

So fiat can build trucks but nothing else. Interesting.

They can build them, they just spend more time by the side of the road than others.

[macwest]

Sorry guys I will stick with my modded 5th gen. the 6th just does not cut it for me looks like it went into a trash compactor. On dodge I like the retro look never gets old.

[Zeke.Malvo]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I know the JD Power results have caught flak over including "infotainment" issues in these reports. You always hear how wonderful Uconnect is(which it wasn't to me), so clearly these reports must be real issues. Or maybe it's only old people who complain about anything buying FCA cars. Either way, FCA is generally viewed as having poor quality and reliability.

+1

Cars are so reliable mechanically, that infotainment stuff is nitpicked. I remember reading about how a good portion of the complaints could be opinion based and not actual defects, and how many Toyotas received better than average ratings due to not even offering an infotainment system, removing them from complaints the systems bring.

[Robmypro]

Originally Posted by macwest

Sorry guys I will stick with my modded 5th gen. the 6th just does not cut it for me looks like it went into a trash compactor. On dodge I like the retro look never gets old.

5th gen looks so much better. Agree 100%. At least in photos. Need to see them up close, side by side.

[GoneBoy]

Originally Posted by macwest

Sorry guys I will stick with my modded 5th gen. the 6th just does not cut it for me looks like it went into a trash compactor. On dodge I like the retro look never gets old.

Imo, it's more like it went into the trash compactor and came out completely ripped. That's just me though.

[joehouse]

sorry guys but the hellcat currently has the win on the streets =x but I'm thinking gm will have the win until the new hellcat comes out.

[F N MUSCLE]

Originally Posted by joehouse

sorry guys but the hellcat currently has the win on the streets =x but I'm thinking gm will have the win until the new hellcat comes out.

Camaro ZL1 is going to be a completely different monster than the Cadillac CTS-V. The ZL1 is probably gonna come in at 3900 pounds and have very different aerodynamics than the Cady. That is going to help a lot. Throw the new 10 speed auto into the equation and the camaro will have a field day with the hellcat. On the track, on the drag strip, on the street...it is going to do very well.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Zeke.Malvo

+1

Cars are so reliable mechanically, that infotainment stuff is nitpicked. I remember reading about how a good portion of the complaints could be opinion based and not actual defects, and how many Toyotas received better than average ratings due to not even offering an infotainment system, removing them from complaints the systems bring.

I agree with you on the infotainment and related stuff - Ford has been getting dinged pretty hard over its "MyFordTouch" system, and I'm told that SYNC3 has its own problems (not that I'd use either, but anyway . . .).

My daughter and her hubby would give you a good, loud earful over the (poor) mechanical reliability of FCA cars as well.


Norm

[laynlo15]

Yup, probably 250 lighter then the V will make a big difference and the 10 speed will keep the R's in the range they need to take care of the hellcat. The videos I've watched have the Z06 kicking the Hellcat to the curb already, the V is just 60hp short, but still give the Hellcat a pretty good run.

[theeulogy]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I know the JD Power results have caught flak over including "infotainment" issues in these reports. You always hear how wonderful Uconnect is(which it wasn't to me), so clearly these reports must be real issues. Or maybe it's only old people who complain about anything buying FCA cars. Either way, FCA is generally viewed as having poor quality and reliability.

I absolutely want the Charger Hellcat, but can not bring myself to buy another Dodge product. I have had some bad luck with FCA products in the past, and don't want to deal with it. So looks like it is going to be a ZL1 for me, especially after driving a 2016 1ss the other day and absolutely loving it.