ZL1 vs Hellcat - Page 6

newmoon · 03-22-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

Only the fanboys would believe '17, since they know nothing about design, production, and testing. Even '18 is out at this point since 1) The new Alfa got delayed for US launch already 2) A new platform car would already be in testing for an '18 launch at this point.

More than likely they won't see a new car before 2019-2020.

On a related note, how long does the emissions cert last for the Hellcat? Given the trouble they had getting to pass to begin with, I doubt they will get a new cert for it without converting to DI.

What trouble, that they had to dial the power back to only 707 hp to pass emissions. I said it before until there is a car that can beat the Hellcat straightline or knock off the Viper ACR on the track, Dodge offers the top performance.

Sven59 · 03-22-2016, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What trouble, that they had to dial the power back to only 707 hp to pass emissions. I said it before until there is a car that can beat the Hellcat straightline or knock off the Viper ACR on the track, Dodge offers the top performance.

And the worst reliability.

SuperSound · 03-22-2016, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What trouble, that they had to dial the power back to only 707 hp to pass emissions. I said it before until there is a car that can beat the Hellcat straightline or knock off the Viper ACR on the track, Dodge offers the top performance.

That's what I mean. There's not any room for improvement and pass emissions with the current setup.

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Norm Peterson · 03-22-2016, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisvr6

and whats with the look ? . . .

for the look i never would buy the dodge if i had the money

I guess you had to be there the first time around to fully appreciate its retro styling.

Yeah, the new one is a bit thicker-bodied. "Bulkier" or "heavier" styling and a little less graceful. But the same can be said for the other two.

Norm

hotlap · 03-22-2016, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What trouble, that they had to dial the power back to only 707 hp to pass emissions. I said it before until there is a car that can beat the Hellcat straightline or knock off the Viper ACR on the track, Dodge offers the top performance.

The Hellcat is lopsided. When the ZL1 shows it can run with the Hellcat in a drag and the GT350R on the track it will be top in performance. A car that can match both for the same price will be impressive.

2cnd chance · 03-22-2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

What trouble, that they had to dial the power back to only 707 hp to pass emissions. I said it before until there is a car that can beat the Hellcat straightline or knock off the Viper ACR on the track, Dodge offers the top performance.

The BIG HP number is cool, however give me better power to weight any day.

96MrBass · 03-22-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

And the worst reliability.

Heard that for the last couple of years. But but that study doesn't count.

SuperSound · 03-22-2016, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Heard that for the last couple of years. But but that study doesn't count.

Only one FCA brand in that shot and it's RAM. Here's a better view of the how their reliability is viewed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/resea...2q?ocid=HPCDHP

http://www.wsj.com/articles/fiat-chr...udy-1434560748

96MrBass · 03-22-2016, 03:50 PM

Now the Camaro is a sports car and not a muscle car anymore because it can do more than 1/4 mile race. Seems like if you were paying 40 to 65k you would want the most PERFORMANCE for your money. Imo

Sven59 · 03-22-2016, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

Only one FCA brand in that shot and it's RAM. Here's a better view of the how their reliability is viewed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/resea...2q?ocid=HPCDHP

http://www.wsj.com/articles/fiat-chr...udy-1434560748

Muscle cars don't just go straight.

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Now the Camaro is a sports car and not a muscle car anymore because it can do more than 1/4 mile race. Seems like if you were paying 40 to 65k you would want the most PERFORMANCE for your money. Imo

hotlap · 03-22-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Heard that for the last couple of years. But but that study doesn't count.

Here is the 2016

Sven59 · 03-22-2016, 04:18 PM

Exactly why I would never buy a Dodge or Chrysler product.

96MrBass · 03-22-2016, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven59

Muscle cars don't just go straight.

My thoughts exactly.

Sven59 · 03-22-2016, 04:24 PM

But you said the Camaro isn't a muscle car anymore.

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