10-11-2020, 10:20 PM | #43 |
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Meanwhile the Camaro is third in sales in it's class.
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10-12-2020, 08:55 PM | #44 |
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Exactly. They missed from the beginning for a broader audience. They gave a Camaro that the masses didn’t want but the Camaro Faithful begged for. You cannot market or advertise a focused product to the broader market. It doesn’t work that way. And suddenly cranking up the marketing on a 6 year old car just isn’t going to explode the sales.
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I don't give a damn what they do. I have my ZL1 and it's my last new car. There will always be something else to buy.
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Maybe the 7th gen, if/when it arrives, will do this. |
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10-14-2020, 01:52 PM | #47 | |
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They put all their eggs in the performance basket and it resulted in the best performing car in the segment by far. The car is pretty much universally loved by the automotive press, so from a driver engagement and performance standpoint they nailed it. The problem is the other two cars in it's class are better coupes. And over 60% of the cars sold in this segment are the lower end trims so making it a good coupe is kind of important |
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The Corvette is financially out of reach for me, period. The Camaro was a little bit of a stretch, but I can handle it. If all the Camaro did was perform like a Hellcat, I would have bought a luxury car. You ALWAYS pay for options you don't want. And the more we allow the insurance companies to mandate all of these stupid "advancements" that are supposed to make cars safer, the more we're going to pay for crap we don't want or need. |
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10-14-2020, 06:23 PM | #50 |
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Give it the 5th gen muscle car look with the current drivetrain and call it a day. The car tanked in sales from the beginning. If people loved it then it would sell...plain and simple.
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Not to mention, this is actually a nuiseance to your average buyer to separate all options. Much easier to make the choice when they are bundled together. And even such a base model exists, you can bet that NO dealer will have one in stock. You'd have to order it, in which case, your room for negotiation becomes a lot smaller and it ends up being a worse value than a low-trim model or mid-trim model that you can potentially negotiate to the same price as the base model, then just strip out everything yourself(which you can potentially sell to others to recoup some cost, even). People care about value(not just the price), too. Like, have you ever seen a 1LS trim Camaro around? Ever? Base models only exist on paper to boast a low price so people come check out the car. The salesman then push people to buy a higher trim car. That's how it works. If optioning is your thing, buy a Porsche. Plain and simple. In fact, I have read that most people order their Porsches anyway. The cars they have sitting around are mostly just for test drives.
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As far as the base model stuff, I don't know that I see it quite the same. Do base models exist? Yes. Can you buy them? Sometimes. You just need to live near where they are available which isn't likely. Right now, there are less than 10 total "minimalist" 2020 Camaro's sitting on dealer lots throughout the US. Less than 10. All coupes. Lump in the used market and include Gen5 and the number goes all the way up less than 150. And only two convertibles. When you're talking about a car like the Camaro, with little to no true "utilitarian" function, the base model simply doesn't cut it for almost all consumers. They want options, even if it's just a few. It's a car for fun, after all... Sales people will always try and upsell you because there's more profit in cars with more options. But also, the consumer will typically -like- the car better with more options. |
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10-14-2020, 10:21 PM | #53 | |
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Sure, The Challenger has no true competitors and maybe that's why it sells so well. But, making the Camaro a Challenger go-getter causes the car to innovate into something more unrecognizable for older fans. With that being said, I wish the ZL1 trim was more of a straight-line performer rather than a bigger, badder, supercharged version of an SS. Leave the Z28 as the track car, and ZL1 has the dragstrip powerhouse. That way, the car can have the best of both worlds.
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In my formative gear head days i remember the 3rd gen Camaro 1le in scca showroom stock. I've always thought of the Camaro as a road racer, but maybe it's my bias for the turns. |
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