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Old 11-16-2018, 12:03 PM   #2661
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I got lucky last night at the track and got to run a 2018 GT A10 with 3.55 gears .. Very nice guy .. I ran a 12.01 @ 114 and he ran a 12.18 @ 115 .. He said I got him by 2 1/2 cars .. His car did have some mods , larger tires , lowered ..All else looked stock ..He is taking it back to the dealer because it has the bad engine tick , he will be getting a new short block ..

One another note , had a demon make some passes last night , seats removed , drag tires and rims ... 10.77 was the best I saw .. Long way from 9.65 .
1.77 60' time on stock wheels/tires nice job.
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Old 11-16-2018, 12:26 PM   #2662
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1.77 60' time on stock wheels/tires nice job.
Thats a great 60. I would have killed to have a 60 like that ever hahaha.

I don't remember because it has been so long but I don't think I ever cracked a sun 2.0 sixty in my Mustang even on DRs
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Old 11-16-2018, 08:03 PM   #2663
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We prefer not to have same day/track runs compared here. Only random internet runs will be used as baseline numbers...



Thanks for posting, sounds like you met a decent owner willing to have some fun. Oh and, Demon was overrated by Mopar - but that was expected. I prefer cars that run faster than claimed, rather than slower.
There are 4 Demons at the track tonight and they are all running no time LOL.
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Old 11-17-2018, 03:19 PM   #2664
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Demons come with dragpack and seats removed unless you order the car for $1 and get the seats lol
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Old 11-21-2018, 10:14 PM   #2665
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I'm hearing that dealerships are charging up to $50K over MSRP for the upcoming GT500. And they want it upfront. LOL! If this is true then that is very disappointing. That means that if MSRP is $70K, then some people will be paying $120K for one. What sucks is that this takes it out of the hands of their base customers. And it puts it in competition with the much more expensive cars. So if this is true then count me out.

I'm wondering how many people will flock to the ZL1 and Hellcat if this happens. I mean, if people are in the market for a mega HP car without having to mod it and break their warranty, then I'd think the ZL1 and Hellcat will start looking more appealing if you can't get a GT500 without a huge mark up. Also that will mean the Ford has not offered a car that can be had in ZL1 price range that can keep up with or beat the ZL1.
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Old 11-22-2018, 01:31 AM   #2666
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I'm hearing that dealerships are charging up to $50K over MSRP for the upcoming GT500. And they want it upfront. LOL! If this is true then that is very disappointing. That means that if MSRP is $70K, then some people will be paying $120K for one. What sucks is that this takes it out of the hands of their base customers. And it puts it in competition with the much more expensive cars. So if this is true then count me out.

I'm wondering how many people will flock to the ZL1 and Hellcat if this happens. I mean, if people are in the market for a mega HP car without having to mod it and break their warranty, then I'd think the ZL1 and Hellcat will start looking more appealing if you can't get a GT500 without a huge mark up. Also that will mean the Ford has not offered a car that can be had in ZL1 price range that can keep up with or beat the ZL1.
Dealers wanted 30k markup in some places for the GT350. I dont think it will MSRP for 70k either. Call me crazy but I think Ford will want more than that for it.

Their dealer network wanted 10k markups on a Focus and morons paid it. They markup Raptors around the same and yet I see them all over.

Given all the problems that they are having with both the GT and the 350 they really need this car to be a homerun and the more I hear things like this the more it makes me laugh. You can build one hell of a fast car for 50k extra. Or you can go down the street and get a ZR1. Either option sounds more appealing to me at this point.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:07 AM   #2667
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I went to our 1/8 mile test and tune night last night .. Air was killer ( 66 deg and very very dry air ) I was there just to watch , but by chance I parked right next to a guy that had a brand new loaded Mustang GT A10 auto ..He asked if I was going to run my Carmaro and I said no , just watching ..He said he was going to make a few passes , so I asked if he ever ran the car before and he said oh yes .. I asked what he ran and he said 7.80s in the 1/8 mile and I found that believable number . I asked if he had run in the 1/4 mile and said oh yes he had and it ran a 11.49 @ 122 ..I looked at him and said all stock ? He said oh yes 100% stock .. We all know 7.80s in the 1/8 mile will not run 11.49 in the 1/4 mile ..I watched him make 3 passes and his best was 8.01 @ 90 MPH .. The other runs were 8.20s . He claimed he was spinning but I watch each run close up at the starting line and the car was dead hooking.. I didn't say anything to him after that , I just walked away ..

On another note I saw a guy with a yellow demon make about 5 passes , His best was a very nice 6.47 @ 105 ..Clearly not a 9 second 1/4 mile car with those 1/8 mile numbers , more like low 10s .. But I was impressed with his numbers , very strong for a heavy car ..The car sounded great with the super charger spinning like a Buzz Saw ..If I had the money I would own one for sure ..
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:08 AM   #2668
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I'm hearing that dealerships are charging up to $50K over MSRP for the upcoming GT500. And they want it upfront. LOL! If this is true then that is very disappointing. That means that if MSRP is $70K, then some people will be paying $120K for one. What sucks is that this takes it out of the hands of their base customers. And it puts it in competition with the much more expensive cars. So if this is true then count me out.

I'm wondering how many people will flock to the ZL1 and Hellcat if this happens. I mean, if people are in the market for a mega HP car without having to mod it and break their warranty, then I'd think the ZL1 and Hellcat will start looking more appealing if you can't get a GT500 without a huge mark up. Also that will mean the Ford has not offered a car that can be had in ZL1 price range that can keep up with or beat the ZL1.
GT500 MSRP will be similar to a ZL1, probably a few grand more. It's not Ford's fault the stealerships are greedy and charging a ridiculous markup. But more importantly, it's not Ford's fault people are stupid enough to pay it. That's why there are markups, because there are people who are retarded enough to pay it and ruin it for everyone else.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:27 AM   #2669
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GT500 MSRP will be similar to a ZL1, probably a few grand more. It's not Ford's fault the stealerships are greedy and charging a ridiculous markup. But more importantly, it's not Ford's fault people are stupid enough to pay it. That's why there are markups, because there are people who are retarded enough to pay it and ruin it for everyone else.
That will tank GT350 values...I don't see Ford pricing a GT500 at the same level as the GT350R, unless it's somehow less capable.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:38 AM   #2670
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I went to our 1/8 mile test and tune night last night .. Air was killer ( 66 deg and very very dry air ) I was there just to watch , but by chance I parked right next to a guy that had a brand new loaded Mustang GT A10 auto ..He asked if I was going to run my Carmaro and I said no , just watching ..He said he was going to make a few passes , so I asked if he ever ran the car before and he said oh yes .. I asked what he ran and he said 7.80s in the 1/8 mile and I found that believable number . I asked if he had run in the 1/4 mile and said oh yes he had and it ran a 11.49 @ 122 ..I looked at him and said all stock ? He said oh yes 100% stock .. We all know 7.80s in the 1/8 mile will not run 11.49 in the 1/4 mile ..I watched him make 3 passes and his best was 8.01 @ 90 MPH .. The other runs were 8.20s . He claimed he was spinning but I watch each run close up at the starting line and the car was dead hooking.. I didn't say anything to him after that , I just walked away ..

On another note I saw a guy with a yellow demon make about 5 passes , His best was a very nice 6.47 @ 105 ..Clearly not a 9 second 1/4 mile car with those 1/8 mile numbers , more like low 10s .. But I was impressed with his numbers , very strong for a heavy car ..The car sounded great with the super charger spinning like a Buzz Saw ..If I had the money I would own one for sure ..
Notice how the times keep inching downward for stock GTs? Soon enough, we'll be hearing about mid 11s stock. That A10 adds hp as it ages.
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Old 11-23-2018, 12:06 PM   #2672
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Dealers wanted 30k markup in some places for the GT350. I dont think it will MSRP for 70k either. Call me crazy but I think Ford will want more than that for it.

Their dealer network wanted 10k markups on a Focus and morons paid it. They markup Raptors around the same and yet I see them all over.

Given all the problems that they are having with both the GT and the 350 they really need this car to be a homerun and the more I hear things like this the more it makes me laugh. You can build one hell of a fast car for 50k extra. Or you can go down the street and get a ZR1. Either option sounds more appealing to me at this point.
I saw $30K markups on the GT350R but I'm not sure how many people, if any at all, actually paid that much. I do know that quite a few people admitted to paying $20K over on the R. While it seems that a lot of people were paying $5K and up over MSRP on the non-R. Same with Hellcats. It seems that us ZL1 and Z06 buyers are smarter than that. I walked out of dealerships back in 2016 that had $10K ADMs on Hellcats and GT350s. I didn't even bother negotiating. When I got called about my ZL1, the first thing I asked was if there was a markup. And here I am, lol!!

At $50K over you can get a car that actually IS worth that price. There are plenty of vehicles out there that are worth what a GT500 with that kind of markup would cost. None of them have a Ford badge BTW. Well maybe the Shelby Super Snake.
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GT500 MSRP will be similar to a ZL1, probably a few grand more. It's not Ford's fault the stealerships are greedy and charging a ridiculous markup. But more importantly, it's not Ford's fault people are stupid enough to pay it. That's why there are markups, because there are people who are retarded enough to pay it and ruin it for everyone else.
I'm not blaming Ford. Nor the dealerships. Heck if I could have sold my used GT for $10K more than it was worth then I damn well would have. I blame the people who fall for this nonsense time and time again. If it's people who truly have lots of money and $50K is not a consideration then cool. But I doubt they would be driving one of these cars anyway. And let's face it, people with that kind of money didn't get to where they are by getting ripped off on vehicle purchases. But regardless, people pay it and it puts the car even further out of the reach of their customer base.

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That will tank GT350 values...I don't see Ford pricing a GT500 at the same level as the GT350R, unless it's somehow less capable.
I'm thinking it will be basically a high HP version of the PP2 or PP1.5 (kinda like the Bullitt suspension) with some add-ons. Given how much time it's taking Ford to give out any info I'm thinking it isn't gonna be anything special. And if that is the case then I can see it coming in close to GT350R pricing. But I'd have to say MSRP will be over $70K.
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Notice how the times keep inching downward for stock GTs? Soon enough, we'll be hearing about mid 11s stock. That A10 adds hp as it ages.
I always keep hearing about these 9 and 10 sec GTs that need "only a few mods" lol! Everytime I hear tho it's coming from someone who doesn't have one of these GTs or the "few mods" to get that fast. I tell people time and time again, if it was that easy, then there would be 9 and 10 sec Mustangs everywhere. LOL!! A year and a half and I still have yet to see one.

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Old 11-23-2018, 03:26 PM   #2673
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That will tank GT350 values...I don't see Ford pricing a GT500 at the same level as the GT350R, unless it's somehow less capable.
Maybe the prices will tank enough for me to get one.
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Old 11-23-2018, 08:37 PM   #2674
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Maybe the prices will tank enough for me to get one.
I've been seeing a lot of the non-Rs going for around the same price as a 5th Gen ZL1. Like high $30K to low $40K for a 16 GT350. A used R is in the same price range as a used ZL1. And a new R is right at MSRP. I mean, so much for all that talk about how much value they retain. They're losing value just like the ZL1s and Hellcats, lol!! Probably because there are soo many options these days. But in any case, you can get one real cheap now.
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