Interesting E15 information

[LIVEVIL]

E85 despite the fact ethanol produces far less power than gas.

Just going by this quote it's clear you have absolutely no clue on how ethanol in gas (specifically E85) works.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by LIVEVIL

Just going by this quote it's clear you have absolutely no clue on how ethanol in gas (specifically E85) works.

of course. your right and the world's wrong. the only reason the world runs on petroleum is because of that vast worldwide conspiracy to keep the farmers down.

[Chrisrp454]

Funny from 8-46 of my owners manual:
"Gasolines containing oxygenates,
such as ethers and ethanol,
and reformulated gasolines
might be available in your area.
We recommend that you use these
gasolines, if they comply with the
specifications described earlier.
However, E85 (85% ethanol) and
other fuels containing more than
10% ethanol must not be used in
vehicles that were not designed for
those fuels."

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by Chrisrp454

Funny from 8-46 of my owners manual:
"Gasolines containing oxygenates,
such as ethers and ethanol,
and reformulated gasolines
might be available in your area.
We recommend that you use these
gasolines, if they comply with the
specifications described earlier.
However, E85 (85% ethanol) and
other fuels containing more than
10% ethanol must not be used in
vehicles that were not designed for
those fuels."

that's just big oil man...................they're trying to keep us all down!!! fight the power, put it in your car anyways

[LIVEVIL]

the only reason the world runs on petroleum is because of that vast worldwide conspiracy to keep the farmers down.

I'm going to say that the main reason for that is because there's a helluva lot more crude oil in the world than corn. Not to mention the fact that corn is food and thus most of that is used to feed people and cattle not to be burned up in cars. If there were billion and billion barrels of corn just chillin' underground ripe for the picking and no living thing could eat corn I'm sure there be a lot more enthanol based fuels in the world.

Also, have you heard of a little country called Brazil? They pretty much run all their cars on a type of ethanol blend made out of sugar cane simply because they have the ability to grow that themselves and not have to succumb to other countries for oil. A big reason why they pay something like 60 cents a gallon for their fuel.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by LIVEVIL

I'm going to say that the main reason for that is because there's a helluva lot more crude oil in the world than corn. Not to mention the fact that corn is food and thuse most of that is used to feed people and cattle.

Also, have you heard of a little country called Brazil? They pretty much run all their cars on a type of ethanol blend made out of sugar cane simply because they have the ability to grow that themselves and not have to succumb to other countries for oil. A big reason why they pay something like 60 cents a gallon for their fuel.

lol, your too much man. the energy content of fuels isn't subjective or up to interpretation. it's easily measurable. this is basic science and very easy to prove or disprove. and the scientific fact is that ethanol only contains 2/3 the energy of gasoline. a gallon of gasoline has about 115,000 Btu's of energy while a gallon of ethanol has about 75,000 now if you want to keep arguing that the world is flat, go right ahead, I wont stand in your way.

[Iam Broke]

I wondered when this thread would turn. Like Livevil I have been running E blends for 4 years. LNF turbo Cobalt tuned for E47 was the bomb.

Ran E47 in the basically bolted SS for last summer. People are ignorant of the possibilities of the additional cooling and slow burn Ethanol adds. E85 is 105 octane. An E47 1:1 blend with 93 is 99 octane. Less btu/pound doesn't mean less HP if the fueling & tuning is done right.

Methanol is corrosive, Ethanol not so much. A stock SS can run 25% ethanol and the fuel trims compensate for the additional fuel needed even at WOT. That's how the LTFT's work.

[LIVEVIL]

the energy content of fuels isn't subjective or up to interpretation. it's easily measurable. this is basic science and very easy to prove or disprove. and the scientific fact is that ethanol only contains 2/3 the energy of gasoline. a gallon of gasoline has about 115,000 Btu's of energy while a gallon of ethanol has about 75,000

And is the energy content of a certain fuel the end all when it comes to making power in an internal combustion engine? If yes, then why doesn't the world use other fuels that make much more btus of energy per gallon?

Remember, there are other benefits to E85 gasoline that make it more desirable over pure 93 in terms of making power.

The deficit in btus of E85 just simply means you have to use more of it to make the same power as pure gasoline. Tis the reason the stoich level is much lower than gasoline.