[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Not true at all. My Hellcat does not have this issue. And nobody with a Hellcat on any of the forums or pages I frequent have ever mentioned this issue. Hellcats can beat ZL1s in a roll race and have been known to start edging out even the Z7 Z06 once over 150 MPH.

All I am referring to is the initial kind of bog from a roll race. Once the car makes it into whatever gear it wants, its howling like a bat out of hell.

I don't say this from just watching videos or guessing. I run around with a group of SRT392s and Hellcat Chargers... I've watched all of them kind of bog at speed, and then shoot out like a cannon. Maybe what I'm seeing is just a trick of the eyes, but I can promise you what I'm seeing is the same I've seen on the Demon.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The race I seen the car was on 93. The one nobody believes.

Who can afford to drive around the streets with race fuel in all the time? How it runs on the street with 93 is more realistic IMO.

This^^^^ I already know the specs on the Demon, but most aren't going to drive it around in drag setup all day. More importantly, I'd be shocked if many of them even kept the skinnies on it for fear of damaging them.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

Ok it was shaffe who specified "dyno tuning" but you still quoted me when I told him he was wrong about that implying I was mistaken...I'm not...you're still wrong.

please tell me a mod that cannot be tuned for without a Dyno?

I was merely referring to needing a tune in general. You're not slapping on a cam, you're not adding most blowers, or extensive internal work and just running it down the street.

And realistically, a dyno tune is best for cars that are seeing internal changes such as a cam or a blower/turbo simply because it can be tuned ASAP.

Sure, canned/flash tunes are all the rage now....but even with that, you're still using information gleaned from dyno tuning through the tuner setup.

[FastCarFanBoy]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Dynamic compression decides what fuel you need to run

hey thx for the refresher course. It was right around 10.5:1 DCR with factory square ports. Take my word for it...it wouldn't run on 93 with more than 20ish total timing in it.

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Race fuel is the most inconvenient and expensive option possible though. It’s for sale nowhere.

There are 3 places in my little Podunk town that sells race gas at the pump and in 5 gallon buckets and I have 3 tracks within an hour drive if I race that all carry it. My brother has ran race only in his 500whp CRX for almost 6 years. It's worked just fine for me for many years. Not saying E85 isn't a great option for some, but tons and tons of people use race gas almost exclusively and have for a long long time. Saying people don't use it and it's cost prohibitive is completely false though, that is just your opinion.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

There are 3 places in my little Podunk town that sells race gas at the pump and in 5 gallon buckets and I have 3 tracks within an hour drive if I race that all carry it. My brother has ran race only in his 500whp CRX for almost 6 years. It's worked just fine for me for many years. Not saying E85 isn't a great option for some, but tons and tons of people use race gas almost exclusively and have for a long long time. Saying people don't use it and it's cost prohibitive is completely false though, that is just your opinion.

Didn’t say people don’t use it

It’s expensive and hard to find is a fact not an opinion. Sounds like you’re lucky where you live

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Didn’t say people don’t use it

It’s expensive and hard to find is a fact not an opinion. Sounds like you’re lucky where you live

Like I said earlier that's when you be like my pops and just have 55 gallon drums delivered to you lol

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Didn’t say people don’t use it

It’s expensive and hard to find is a fact not an opinion. Sounds like you’re lucky where you live

C12 is $9 a gallon here and available 5 miles away. So to me it is not expensive or hard to find so no not a fact. I understand you can't afford it, it's ok.

[SnakeEyeSS]

I must have taken a wrong turn, could have sworn I clicked on the Mustang thread.



This is the true golden age of cars. Too bad it's probably the end of ICE soon, but them no one will have to look for race gas.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Speaking of Mustangs, has anyone gotten the PP2 out onto a track yet, or at least a windy back road to see how the new setup performs? It looks like it should do well on paper. I looked over on the Mustang website, and I haven't seen anything other that photos of the car or wheels or front splitter, or whatever. I want to know how it performs, not how pretty it is!

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Like I said earlier that's when you be like my pops and just have 55 gallon drums delivered to you lol

Yeah that’s what I’d do if I ran it. It’s not worth much over E85 though. I’d like to try some ftw purple. But the price they want for it is just ridiculous. Hard for me to pay it just on principle lol

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Yeah that’s what I’d do if I ran it. It’s not worth much over E85 though. I’d like to try some ftw purple. But the price they want for it is just ridiculous. Hard for me to pay it just on principle lol

yeah when my pops was doing it, the prices weren't nearly as crazy as they are now. He had his Nova race car that ran on 110 ( I'm pretty sure it was 110) and his pro street 56 Chevy that he would fill half with 93 and half 110 so it made sense to just have a drum......man I wish he still had both those cars lol

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Like I said earlier that's when you be like my pops and just have 55 gallon drums delivered to you lol

Good idea there. But you gotta make sure you get it from the same place all the time. And I wouldn't get the stuff that has to be mixed.

[BlaqWhole]

As far as tuning, dyno tuning is great because you don't have to worry about getting caught datalogging at high speeds. And you can tune it on the fly. But I prefer custom tuning as it adjusts the tune based on the engine working while pulling the full weight of the vehicle. I feel that it is more accurate. But both ways are pretty good. And at least with dyno tuning you get pretty numbers to "oohhh, aahhh" over, lol!!

I personally wouldn't want any tune that requires race gas tho. I prefer good ole 93 octane.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Speaking of Mustangs, has anyone gotten the PP2 out onto a track yet, or at least a windy back road to see how the new setup performs? It looks like it should do well on paper. I looked over on the Mustang website, and I haven't seen anything other that photos of the car or wheels or front splitter, or whatever. I want to know how it performs, not how pretty it is!

I am surprised there hasn't been a PP2 vs 1LE review yet as the PP2 seems to be readily available at this point. One look at the window sticker and I say no thank you. No standard GT or SS IMO is worth 50k or more. The 1-3 year financial depreciation is going to be BRUTAL.