07-16-2018, 07:22 PM | #57 | |
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Some buyers may not have bought the car with intent to track, but in finding that the car is capable, they may choose to give it a try. Then there is the second owner. The person who picks up the car used. If they know how to identify the track ready cars from the non-track ready cars because of the option content, that is helpful. Otherwise it’s a question of knowing how to mod it or buying modded vehicles that you trust. If Ford intended for only Shelby models to be track ready, they should have said that up front instead of leading some of their faithful to believe the PP2 would be a 1LE answer.
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As mentioned prior, the GT350 (non-R) did not have the Track Pack / extra coolers standard until 2017. On another note, I think GM should make the extra coolers & capacity of the 19 ZR1 standard on Z07 package Grand Sports and Z06's. Won't even get into the letdown regarding cooling on earlier C7 Vettes.
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07-16-2018, 08:08 PM | #59 | |
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No engine overheating, nor trans(Manual) or brakes... Z06 as far as the engine is another story...but this can be adressed it seems. |
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07-16-2018, 08:22 PM | #60 | |
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The 17 GS M7 has the extra horizontal cooler which was a big help, however, the A8 GS's & Z51's still have concerns in higher ambients. Depending on if shifts are done manually or left in auto, track configuation, etc. makes a difference, too. A local friend has spent a lot of money with his A8 trying to get trans and engine oil temps down because he runs here in Texas often during the summer. This weekend, it will be 106F in the shade at an event at Eagles Canyon. |
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07-16-2018, 08:35 PM | #61 |
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I do not recall that Ford made that claim. It may have been a mistake in the media if it was ever said.
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Wait a minute - 47? I only counted 46 on my 1LE. Where’s the 47th one? |
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07-16-2018, 08:45 PM | #63 | |
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07-16-2018, 08:49 PM | #64 |
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You haven’t figured out how to roll your windows down yet?
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Mine has 48 if you count the 1 in the trunk....
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07-16-2018, 09:24 PM | #67 | |
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But seriously. If the PP2 is NOT a track package but a performance enthusiast package for street ONLY NEVER ON THE TRACK car, why can't you get it with the automatic trans? That literally makes no sense. Tons of guys would love to buy that configuration for street use. It would also be better at the 1/4 mile track to boot. It certainly would sell. Why can't you get a convertible PP2 for street use? What, convertibles are unsuited for street only, never to be driven on a track type use? You can get the PP1 in a convertible. Why? Like I said before, if is swims like a duck, quacks likes a duck, and in this case, poops like a duck.... Plus, if Ford just put the coolers in in the first place, we would all be saying this thing is a track monster like the 1LE. The coolers can't cost that much. Why would a company come that close to the finish line and then just quit? No matter what, that is a bit of lost potential at a very minimal cost. Pretty dumb. |
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07-16-2018, 10:00 PM | #69 | |
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And again, this narrative still doesn't address the original confusion. There are track specific tires and extensive track specific tuning for the suspension, Magneride, and aerodynamic body parts, with a race car driver giving feed back in a car in high speed turns of up to 140 MPH, that folks are arguing was designed to NOT go around a track only back roads, and by the way, isn't available in a convertible or auto trans car. |
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07-16-2018, 11:26 PM | #70 | |
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Regardless, I say no excuse. The package is a goof now. Also, it’s not just the diff. The MT82 needs a cooler. That transmission, in it’s case design and splash lube design, is simply not designed for track use whatsoever. It gets by, yes, with good fluid. Go have a Mustang guy log trans fluid temps on just a summer commute - they get hot, like 200F+ just cruising around. I did it in my S197 and saw 210-220 on a summer commute regularly. Read back to the original Boss 302S development by Tiger Racing (Paul Brown). The Tremec’s are much more robust, even the TR3160. In addition, consider what running 6.5-7.5k RPM for extended periods does with oil temps... |
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