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Old 08-13-2022, 06:58 PM   #1
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New Electric Car Tax Credits, etc.

I thought this was a good article summarizing the differences from the "old" EV tax credits and incentives compared to the recently a passed ones and what and when to expect. Happy EV shopping!...lol

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/n...-buying-an-ev/

New Electric Car Tax Credits Are About to Radically Change Buying EVs
A number of EVs should become more affordable, but only after a "subsidy winter" when far fewer cars will qualify.

Big changes are coming to the federal electric car tax credit with congressional passage of the Inflation Reduction Act, changes that may make it eventually easier to own an EV, but initially harder to afford one. The details are more complicated than ever, but can make a huge difference in EV adoption. Here's what you need to know as President Joe Biden prepares to sign the new legislation into law.

First, the good news for EV buyers.

Credit extended to 2032
The new rules reauthorize the $7,500 federal tax credit for a full battery or advanced plug-in hybrid until 2032. That fundamental decision protects a program that has been in place since 2010 and has been targeted for elimination by some politicians and at least one faction of the petroleum industry as a cozy giveaway to electric carmakers and wealthier car buyers.

No more popularity penalty
The new rules do away with a cap that sunsets the tax credit for any brand of car once it sells 200,000 units of qualifying electrified personal vehicles. This "popularity penalty" has been decried by carmakers like Tesla and GM who long ago sold more than 200,000 units and now effectively play the game with a $7,500 handicap. Ford and Toyota are in their midst of their sunset phase of the tax credit as well. While there are economic and industrial arguments on both sides, lifting the 200,000 unit cap is clearly a benefit to car buyers who just want the most affordable cars to choose from.

Instant gratification
When you do choose a qualifying EV you'll be able to apply the tax credit immediately at a car dealer by assigning your credit to them at the time of signing, much the way buyers often do with manufacturer's rebates. This saves you having to wait until tax day to get the benefit. You'll still need to qualify for the credit at tax time and the IRS could claw back some or all of it if you don't, but a little back-of-the-envelope math should make it clear at purchase time.

So much for the clear good guys, now the new rules get tricky.

Purchase price limits
Forget about getting paid to buy a Porsche Taycan or Tesla Model S: The new rules only apply to cars that cost $55,000 or less, or SUVs and light trucks that cost $80,000 or less. Automakers should lose little sleep over this one, as buyers above those price points are far less cost-sensitive. But it's worth noting that the average purchase price of a new vehicle in the US has crept up dramatically to nearly $48,000 in May. I recall when rap lyrics boasted of driving a $50,000 car; now that could just be a Toyota Sienna.

Your income limits
Those limits on car cost are largely made moot by new limits on the buyer's income level. The EV tax credit is only available to buyers whose modified adjusted gross income is no more than $150,000 in the year of purchase, for a single filer; $225,000 for a head of household; or $300,000 if filing a joint return. These aren't exactly poverty incomes, but they will exclude some of the most passionate EV evangelists in the wealthiest metros (PDF).

The next set of hurdles are eye-glazing policies around international trade.

Built in America, or somewhere we like
No matter the vehicle cost or your income, cars whose batteries are assembled in or made from materials sourced from "foreign entities of concern" will be in hot water. This sort of thing is way beyond my expertise, but law firm White & Case indicates it will redline countries specified in the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act like China, Russia, Iran and North Korea. This prohibition is stark in an auto industry that is highly reliant on China, perhaps explaining why it doesn't take effect until Dec. 31, 2024.

Chevy Bolt EUV
The Chevy Bolt is assembled in America, but unless its battery content is at least 40% sourced from the US or its free-trade partners, it won't qualify for a federal tax credit.

Chevrolet
Complementing this requirement is a new one that requires a qualifying electric car be assembled in North America, which spans a vast number of plants in Mexico, the US and Canada. This is not a totally odd concept as cars sold in the US have long had window stickers that indicate where their major assemblies were put together.

But wait there's more -- much more
Doubling down on the previous two new rules is one governing the critical materials content in any qualified EV, 40% of which must come from US sources or from countries with which the US has a free trade agreement. That sourcing percentage increases to 50% during 2024, 60% during 2025, 70% in 2026 and 80% starting in 2027. Tesla is among the carmakers that have recently been busily locking down battery supply deals wherever it can find them.

I love used cars and so does Uncle Sam
I'm a big fan of late-model used cars so I'm pleased with the tax credit of $4,000 or 30% of the purchase price on used EVs that cost $25,000 or less. There are separate buyer income limits for used cars of $75,000 for a single filer, $112,500 for a head of household and $150,000 for joint filers.

Not just pure electrics
The new program also embraces plug-in hybrids as long as they have a battery of 7kWh capacity or greater, which is easy to exceed with vehicles like a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Prime PHEV that has an 18kWh battery or a 2022 Ford Escape PHEV with a 14kWh battery. Be careful with an older plug-in hybrid, though, as they may have smaller batteries that don't quite make the cut. The IRS maintains a list of all plug-in vehicles that qualify for a federal tax credit.

2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime
A Toyota RAV4 Prime is a plug-in hybrid that may also qualify for a healthy federal tax credit, not just cars that are pure electric.

Better than a deduction
And remember, these are tax credits that directly reduce the amount of tax you owe against your income for the year, not just any additional amount you owe at tax time. This is quite different from the typical income tax deduction that lets you reduce the amount of income you owe tax against. These EV tax credits are considered a much more potent money-saving tool, but can only reduce your income tax for the year to zero; they cannot create a refund.

Bottom line
This package will create a much friendlier EV-buying landscape in a couple of years, but a virtual desert until then. Trade groups and industry analysts say anywhere from 70% to even 100% of current EVs sold in the US will fail to qualify at first, a stark reality as we await a flood of tax credit applicability around late 2024.

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Old 08-14-2022, 06:15 PM   #2
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At those income levels, it’s no wonder why this country is racking up debt at a record pace. With the limited availability of any cars right now due to supply chain issues, the demand for cars is already strong, no need to print and give free money to so many who don’t have the need. If it’s really about going green, why not any EV made anywhere? Should only be for USA made because the overburdened USA taxpayers are the ones covering the cost.
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Borderline shameless promotion, but we’ll be discussing this in detail at NAIAS. Two of my colleagues will detail the IRA and might even discuss implications of CARB approving the 2035 ICE ban (I’ve been saying for a long time that the ICE ban wasn’t law, just an executive order. As of Friday, it’s law). I’ll be discussing the impact of electrification on the supplier community.
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^Somehow I pictured you being retired. If I go this year I'll look for you.
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Borderline shameless promotion, but we’ll be discussing this in detail at NAIAS. Two of my colleagues will detail the IRA and might even discuss implications of CARB approving the 2035 ICE ban (I’ve been saying for a long time that the ICE ban wasn’t law, just an executive order. As of Friday, it’s law). I’ll be discussing the impact of electrification on the supplier community.
Good luck. We're all rooting for you. Make us proud. Any live feed or video?
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^Somehow I pictured you being retired. If I go this year I'll look for you.
I was retired and doing my own consulting. Missed the chaos and went to work as a consultant for IHS Markit which was recently acquired by S&P Global. I’m having fun and getting paid for it.
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Good question. I’ll have to check.
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Jim, did you ever look into Peter Zeihan and his thoughts and predictions? I've been watching him for about a year so far and he seems pretty spot on. I've seen a lot of other people in various fields start to make similar predictions as Peter, who are completely separated from Peter.
If this is the guy somebody (maybe you) recommended a couple months ago, I must honestly say that after about 10 minutes it screamed “conspiracy theory” to me and I moved on.
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