Mustang Sedan? Seriously? - Page 2

Petrol Head · 03-10-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum

I don't get it. What is wrong with 4 doors? My 2011 TT BMW 3 series Sport was every bit a sports car, but yet had 4 doors.

4 doors make a more practical car and do not have to reduce the sport needle at all.

If Chevy made a 4 door LT1 model I would have chosen that, but I imagine I am in the minority. If something stretches our preconceived notions that is not a bad thing to me Flame suit on!

There was the SS Sedan.

I don't think people have a problem with sports cars with 4 doors.

They have a problem putting iconic names on to cars with 4 doors, or SUVs, or electric garbage. I still hate the Charger name on a 4 door sedan. Doesn't belong.

A Mustang is a 2 door, 4 seat sports car with an internal combustion gasoline engine. Even in straight 6 or 4 cylinder guise. It's a 2 door, 4 seater, that is available with a manual transmission. Nothing else is, has been, nor ever will be a real Mustang.

Same for Camaro.

The BMW 3 Series has always been available as a sedan, and it's always been a sporty car as a sedan even in base non-M form.

That's the difference.

zaimer · 03-10-2021, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Petrol Head

There was the SS Sedan.

I don't think people have a problem with sports cars with 4 doors.

They have a problem putting iconic names on to cars with 4 doors, or SUVs, or electric garbage. I still hate the Charger name on a 4 door sedan. Doesn't belong.

A Mustang is a 2 door, 4 seat sports car with an internal combustion gasoline engine. Even in straight 6 or 4 cylinder guise. It's a 2 door, 4 seater, that is available with a manual transmission. Nothing else is, has been, nor ever will be a real Mustang.

Same for Camaro.

The BMW 3 Series has always been available as a sedan, and it's always been a sporty car as a sedan even in base non-M form.

That's the difference.

Exactly. I think this represents many of our thoughts very well. Throwing a 3 series into this argument of "right" or "wrong" is totally irrelevant. Also, a base 3 series is not sporty IMO.

gtfoxy · 03-10-2021, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zaimer

Exactly. I think this represents many of our thoughts very well. Throwing a 3 series into this argument of "right" or "wrong" is totally irrelevant. Also, a base 3 series is not sporty IMO.

They needed to bring the SS nameplate to a Chevy version of the ATS-V. When I first bought my SS I looked into used ones. Holy sticker shock Bat man.

FarmerFran · 03-10-2021, 01:15 PM

Ford is going to Mustang everything like Chevy SS'd everything

FarmerFran · 03-10-2021, 01:16 PM

Anyone remember the Malibu SS amd Maxx SS

Big Lebowski · 03-10-2021, 01:16 PM

This isn't a new idea... Porsche did it, and last time I checked thats working out ok for them. Though, I guess at least they gave the Panamera a different name.

911XL would have sucked.

zaimer · 03-10-2021, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfoxy

They needed to bring the SS nameplate to a Chevy version of the ATS-V. When I first bought my SS I looked into used ones. Holy sticker shock Bat man.

I've always liked the CTS-V's, but you're talking a minimum of mid-$60k's for a decent used one. I'm almost wondering if you aren't thinking of them...the ATS-V's have the twin turbo 6 cylinder that I can recall. The CTS-V's have the 6.2 SC (at least the ones I have looked at). I've had a potent V6 TT in the past...awesome for what they are, but it doesn't replace the large displacement for me.

BrandanK · 03-10-2021, 01:20 PM

I can't be too mad about it. I wish GM would make a Chevrolet performance sedan. The Cadillac is huge desire for me, but way too much money for the general public.

BK

zaimer · 03-10-2021, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski

This isn't a new idea... Porsche did it, and last time I checked thats working out ok for them. Though, I guess at least they gave the Panamera a different name.

911XL would have sucked.

Correct. Porsche introduced something entirely new - THAT is the difference. One of the few times we can actually discuss Porsche and Ford/Mustang in the same sentence.

The 911 is an amazing machine, with great history. The same could be said for the Mustang with Ford (in relation to tarnishing the brand). I wish Porsche didn't get rid of the sweet sound flat 6. Now when the time comes of me actually getting into a 911, I'll have one that sounds like a vacuum.

Altered Carbon · 03-10-2021, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ZED SLED

Well, in their defense, it does look to have enough ground clearance to roll over the bodies at a cars & coffee event.

zaimer · 03-10-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BrandanK

I can't be too mad about it. I wish GM would make a Chevrolet performance sedan. The Cadillac is huge desire for me, but way too much money for the general public.

BK

They did. They introduced the "SS" sedan and it was basically a giant flop.

shaffe · 03-10-2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Ford is going to Mustang everything like Chevy SS'd everything

It's already happening. They are starting to spin Mustang and Bronco off into sub brands.

KMPrenger · 03-10-2021, 01:33 PM

Yeah...saw this news earlier today. I guess using the Mustang name as a sub-brand and splattering it across multiple models might be good from a name recognition and a potential profitability standpoint...but I still don't like it much lol. Lets not forget the hybrid (not a surprise) and AWD news also.

Nobody has issues with a muscular 4 door car. I wish there were more of them at affordable options like the Challenger. People say the SS sedan was a failure. Maybe so, but I say it didn't sell so well because it was basically limited in availability, only offered in one trim (basically loaded) which meant it was pricey, and while I don't hate the look, it was kind of a glorified Malibu in the looks department. When I bought my 1SS Camaro in late 2015, they had fire-sales on left over SS sedans that were going for basically the same price or less than what I paid for my 1SS with a few options. It didn't really catch my interest much, due to the style and also the fact that it was running an LS3 versus the LT1 and the 6 speed versus the 8 speed. I wanted that new 6th gen Camaro bad! (still have it fyi)

Have you guys seen what decent used SS sedans go for these days?! (also throw in Pontiac G8s with the V8 and especially the GXPs). If I could go back, I'd slap myself, buy the SS sedan, and then modify it to make it meaner looking (even more so due the fact that I have two young kids...luckily my Camaro isn't my daily driver). It would be worth more now than what I had paid for it new back then.

What GM really could use now are some more muscular SUV and truck options.

Altered Carbon · 03-10-2021, 01:38 PM

So... this?

03-10-2021, 01:15 PM	#18
FarmerFran Drives: 2023 ZL1 Vert M6 "Sharky" Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 4,032	Ford is going to Mustang everything like Chevy SS'd everything __________________ 2023 Camaro ZL1 Vert TR-6060 Sharkskin "Sharky" Firecracker Red Wrangler Willys, 3.6L eTorque, 850RE 8 speed automatic, 25W Willys package, Technology Group, Convenience Group (aka $600 garage door opener), Cold weather Group, Trailer Tow and HD electric group with AUX switches, 3 piece black freedom top.

03-10-2021, 01:16 PM	#19
FarmerFran Drives: 2023 ZL1 Vert M6 "Sharky" Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Earth Posts: 4,032	Anyone remember the Malibu SS amd Maxx SS __________________ 2023 Camaro ZL1 Vert TR-6060 Sharkskin "Sharky" Firecracker Red Wrangler Willys, 3.6L eTorque, 850RE 8 speed automatic, 25W Willys package, Technology Group, Convenience Group (aka $600 garage door opener), Cold weather Group, Trailer Tow and HD electric group with AUX switches, 3 piece black freedom top.

03-10-2021, 01:16 PM	#20
Big Lebowski Drives: 022 C8 Z51 Red Mist HTC Join Date: Feb 2021 Location: West Suburbs of Chicago Posts: 200	This isn't a new idea... Porsche did it, and last time I checked thats working out ok for them. Though, I guess at least they gave the Panamera a different name. 911XL would have sucked. __________________ “Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like, your opinion, man.” - The Dude

03-10-2021, 01:33 PM	#27
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Yeah...saw this news earlier today. I guess using the Mustang name as a sub-brand and splattering it across multiple models might be good from a name recognition and a potential profitability standpoint...but I still don't like it much lol. Lets not forget the hybrid (not a surprise) and AWD news also. Nobody has issues with a muscular 4 door car. I wish there were more of them at affordable options like the Challenger. People say the SS sedan was a failure. Maybe so, but I say it didn't sell so well because it was basically limited in availability, only offered in one trim (basically loaded) which meant it was pricey, and while I don't hate the look, it was kind of a glorified Malibu in the looks department. When I bought my 1SS Camaro in late 2015, they had fire-sales on left over SS sedans that were going for basically the same price or less than what I paid for my 1SS with a few options. It didn't really catch my interest much, due to the style and also the fact that it was running an LS3 versus the LT1 and the 6 speed versus the 8 speed. I wanted that new 6th gen Camaro bad! (still have it fyi) Have you guys seen what decent used SS sedans go for these days?! (also throw in Pontiac G8s with the V8 and especially the GXPs). If I could go back, I'd slap myself, buy the SS sedan, and then modify it to make it meaner looking (even more so due the fact that I have two young kids...luckily my Camaro isn't my daily driver). It would be worth more now than what I had paid for it new back then. What GM really could use now are some more muscular SUV and truck options. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

03-10-2021, 01:38 PM	#28
Altered Carbon Ghost Spawn Drives: Camaro Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: East Coast Posts: 538	So... this? Attached Images

03-10-2021, 01:20 PM	#22
BrandanK Drives: 2021 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Indianapolis IN Posts: 255 View My Garage	I can't be too mad about it. I wish GM would make a Chevrolet performance sedan. The Cadillac is huge desire for me, but way too much money for the general public. BK

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