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Nicky Pass · 08-28-2014, 11:49 AM

I've been thinking about doing headers and either high flow cats or off road mid pipes. I was thinking about Kooks Headers with high flow cats and having it tuned....because you should....right?

I am in the Chicago area, so if anyone has any experience with in chicago based shops, that would be appreciated.

I'm looking for suggestions as to what combos work and if you have any sound clips as well.

Rico · 08-28-2014, 11:53 AM

I have kooks with high flow cats and love it. Just remember if you tune your car it can void your warranty. It wouldn't be wise to install it without a tune.

GONIF · 08-28-2014, 11:57 AM

Sounds like your on the right track . Long tubes with HF cats ( Kooks are great headers). Add a Bo ported TB ,CAI with race scoop and have it tuned . I'm in AZ so I can't recommend a Chicago tuner ,but some one on here from Chicago area will chime in and give you a recommendation. Warrantee issues will vary from dealer to dealer ,some are kool some are not .

Ajdin@A2BMotorsport · 08-28-2014, 12:55 PM

I have TSP 1 7/8 LT's, Catless 3" Xpipe and their 3" Exhaust, everyone compliments how it sounds like an old school muscle car and sounds great (I also have a cam as well). But for the money you cant go wrong as the setup is around $1600 new.

As for Shops in your area, Ive had a friend bring his Vette and Camaro to Nickey and he wont let anyone else touch his cars now.

X25 · 08-28-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bozz1LE

I have TSP 1 7/8 LT's, Catless 3" Xpipe and their 3" Exhaust, everyone compliments how it sounds like an old school muscle car and sounds great (I also have a cam as well). But for the money you cant go wrong as the setup is around $1600 new.

As for Shops in your area, Ive had a friend bring his Vette and Camaro to Nickey and he wont let anyone else touch his cars now.

+1 Texas Speed seems to be the best bang for the buck. They all seem to be making similar HP numbers for the given diameter, and as long as there's no fitment issues (and I've heard TSPs fit with no issues when diameter is below 2").

Here is a pic of the TSP kit (no muffler) I took at the coating shop before getting them coated for reduced temps:

SlowSS · 08-28-2014, 02:06 PM

I just installed Kook's 1 7/8ths no cats through my NPP. No fitment issues at all. Great sound, but pretty raspy if you pull the fuse. Have not tuned it yet, but will very soon. Just trying to figure out which shop to go with first.

GONIF · 08-28-2014, 02:27 PM

If you can afford it go with Kooks, ARH, LG, or Stainless Works .

Fraxum · 08-28-2014, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rico

I have kooks with high flow cats and love it. Just remember if you tune your car it can void your warranty. It wouldn't be wise to install it without a tune.

LS3s will run just fine with LTs and no tune. No danger of going lean, at least with 17/8 and smaller. But you will get some CELs even if you use rear O2 spacers. Just turn them off, no biggie.

My 1LE ran 12.3s like that. LTs, cats, CAI, Scoop, DRs, no tune.

ST1LE · 08-28-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SlowSS

I just installed Kook's 1 7/8ths no cats through my NPP. No fitment issues at all. Great sound, but pretty raspy if you pull the fuse. Have not tuned it yet, but will very soon. Just trying to figure out which shop to go with first.

I have heard it is really raspy without cats, they really help to bring down that rasp. I love the sound of my LT's + HFs through my NPP.

So Cal Camaro · 08-28-2014, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky Pass

I've been thinking about doing headers and either high flow cats or off road mid pipes. I was thinking about Kooks Headers with high flow cats and having it tuned....because you should....right?

I am in the Chicago area, so if anyone has any experience with in chicago based shops, that would be appreciated.

I'm looking for suggestions as to what combos work and if you have any sound clips as well.

Do yourself a favor and head to Indy, see Bruce Raymond for the parts and Mike Norris for the tune....do it right the first time.

Otherwise, check with Tbone or Bannonm on the forum, they both are local to Chicago area....

Camaro Dude · 08-28-2014, 09:34 PM

I'd love to see a posted WOT datalog of someone with headers, CAI, scoop, and NO tune. Curious what is going on after 4800 rpm's.

jergarr · 08-28-2014, 09:50 PM

I'm about 20 minutes away from Chicago had my long tubes and high flow cats with full tune done by Speed inc in Schaumburg. They've held up so far so I can recommend them

. There is also Nickey in St. Charles and Blackdog Speed Shop in Lincolnshire which I've heard good things about both.

CrystalRedTintcoat · 08-29-2014, 08:56 PM

I just ordered C.A.R.B. approved JBA ceramic coated titanium shorty headers with JBA mid pipes and high flow cats. Apparently no tune is needed and, given the increased flow using these together), they rival HP gains of long tube headers (this per per jba support, who make both long and short headers, POST sale; I called them after having bought the shorties).

See improvements on JBA middies and shorties here:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=85
And

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...01&postcount=2

To keep the CEL lamp from illuminating I bought the Vibrant O2 extenders.

Teedger · 08-30-2014, 09:34 PM

I am also looking to add some upgrades to my 1LE and below are some of the options I’d like to add.
1. CAI from CAI
2. ARH 2” LTH with HFCs, complete with ARH 3” X-pipe mated to the NPP exhaust
3. NW 102mm TB
4. FAST LSXR 102mm Intake
5. LS9 Cam
6. Professional Tune
Wish List:
1. Whipple 2.9L SC
Here’s a couple questions regarding the items listed above.
1. How much extra HP & TQ can I expect with these mods (with & without the SC)?
2. Is there anything I’m missing if I add these items?Basically, will the car be able to handle all these additions or is there something I’m missing to make the whole assembly work without damaging the vehicle (again with & without the SC)?
3. What would you add or subtract from the items listed above if this was your build?
Thank you in advance for your input!

08-28-2014, 11:49 AM	#1
Nicky Pass Drives: 2014 BRM, 2SS, RS, 1LE Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Chicago Posts: 144	Headers? High Flow Cats? Tune? Looking for advice.... I've been thinking about doing headers and either high flow cats or off road mid pipes. I was thinking about Kooks Headers with high flow cats and having it tuned....because you should....right? I am in the Chicago area, so if anyone has any experience with in chicago based shops, that would be appreciated. I'm looking for suggestions as to what combos work and if you have any sound clips as well.

08-28-2014, 11:57 AM	#3
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	Sounds like your on the right track . Long tubes with HF cats ( Kooks are great headers). Add a Bo ported TB ,CAI with race scoop and have it tuned . I'm in AZ so I can't recommend a Chicago tuner ,but some one on here from Chicago area will chime in and give you a recommendation. Warrantee issues will vary from dealer to dealer ,some are kool some are not . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

08-28-2014, 02:06 PM	#6
SlowSS Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Commerce, GA Posts: 3,873	I just installed Kook's 1 7/8ths no cats through my NPP. No fitment issues at all. Great sound, but pretty raspy if you pull the fuse. Have not tuned it yet, but will very soon. Just trying to figure out which shop to go with first. __________________ My Build Thread!

08-28-2014, 02:27 PM	#7
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	If you can afford it go with Kooks, ARH, LG, or Stainless Works . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

08-28-2014, 09:50 PM	#12
jergarr Drives: 11' RJT 2SS/RS L99 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 298	I'm about 20 minutes away from Chicago had my long tubes and high flow cats with full tune done by Speed inc in Schaumburg. They've held up so far so I can recommend them. There is also Nickey in St. Charles and Blackdog Speed Shop in Lincolnshire which I've heard good things about both. __________________ GPI VVT3 Cam Circle D 3800 Single Disc Stall 1LE 3.91s Stainless Power Headers w/cats Fluidampr 25% UDP Cold Air Inductions Intake Bo White Ported Throttle Body ADM Trans Cooler Some BMR Goodies

08-28-2014, 11:53 AM	#2
Rico Flying da helicopter Drives: Black SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: HI Posts: 1,215 View My Garage	I have kooks with high flow cats and love it. Just remember if you tune your car it can void your warranty. It wouldn't be wise to install it without a tune.

08-28-2014, 12:55 PM	#4
Ajdin@A2BMotorsport Account Suspended Drives: 2013 Camaro 1SS/1LE Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Waterloo Posts: 609	I have TSP 1 7/8 LT's, Catless 3" Xpipe and their 3" Exhaust, everyone compliments how it sounds like an old school muscle car and sounds great (I also have a cam as well). But for the money you cant go wrong as the setup is around $1600 new. As for Shops in your area, Ive had a friend bring his Vette and Camaro to Nickey and he wont let anyone else touch his cars now.

08-28-2014, 09:34 PM	#11
Camaro Dude Drives: ‘13 1LE Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 3,904	I'd love to see a posted WOT datalog of someone with headers, CAI, scoop, and NO tune. Curious what is going on after 4800 rpm's.

08-29-2014, 08:56 PM	#13
CrystalRedTintcoat Drives: 2013 2SS 1LE NPP GBE Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bay Area, online, & in my 1LE Posts: 2,667 View My Garage	I just ordered C.A.R.B. approved JBA ceramic coated titanium shorty headers with JBA mid pipes and high flow cats. Apparently no tune is needed and, given the increased flow using these together), they rival HP gains of long tube headers (this per per jba support, who make both long and short headers, POST sale; I called them after having bought the shorties). See improvements on JBA middies and shorties here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...4&postcount=85 And http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...01&postcount=2 To keep the CEL lamp from illuminating I bought the Vibrant O2 extenders. __________________ 2013 1LE NPP GBE Mods Track Days Last edited by CrystalRedTintcoat; 08-29-2014 at 10:58 PM.

08-30-2014, 09:34 PM	#14
Teedger Drives: 2013 Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE w/ NPP Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: TX Posts: 5	Proposed 1LE upgrades/mods I am also looking to add some upgrades to my 1LE and below are some of the options I’d like to add. 1. CAI from CAI 2. ARH 2” LTH with HFCs, complete with ARH 3” X-pipe mated to the NPP exhaust 3. NW 102mm TB 4. FAST LSXR 102mm Intake 5. LS9 Cam 6. Professional Tune Wish List: 1. Whipple 2.9L SC Here’s a couple questions regarding the items listed above. 1. How much extra HP & TQ can I expect with these mods (with & without the SC)? 2. Is there anything I’m missing if I add these items?Basically, will the car be able to handle all these additions or is there something I’m missing to make the whole assembly work without damaging the vehicle (again with & without the SC)? 3. What would you add or subtract from the items listed above if this was your build? Thank you in advance for your input!