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Old 07-25-2018, 12:28 PM   #1
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Cheap jack stand and jacking solution

So I actually have a nice floor jack and the ZL1 Add-ons installed lift points all the way around. Unfortunately my jack stands are truck sized and way too big for the Camaro. So rather than buy another set of jack stands, I decided to buy two screw jacks. I think I will attach a steel plate or a piece of hardwood to the bottom to give me a bit of piece of mind, but actually these are quite stable just the way they are. Each of the jacks come with a nice ratcheting wrench. It works well, but is a bit slow. To make life easier get a 1/2" socket drill adapter and a 17mm socket and it takes no time at all to work the jack up or down.



The saddle on these jack stands mates up to the lift points quite well, and they will also straddle the pinch welds if you have no jack pads. It's also a nice jack to add to a spare kit, which I plan on doing at some point. I've used these on the front in the pinch welds. When jacking the jack contacts the plastic part on the bottom of the rockers until the jack starts to extend but they bend easily and it causes no damage. It's not worth worrying about, but I thought I'd mention it.


The jacks are $23 each (x2) and the wheel chocks are $16.50.



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Old 07-25-2018, 01:22 PM   #2
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Hate to be guy that poppies on your parade but this is a bad idea. Those jacks are intended as emergency only and are generally considered trash. I also wouldn't use those with the Addon lift blocks as there isn't anything to slip down into the groove of the jack. Way too easy for it to slip off. Throw it in the trunk and use it if you must to change a tire but don't use it to support the car.

If you are going to use these use them to lift the car only and place it directly on the pinch weld and not the lift block. Then immediately support the car with Jack Stands or some other method. A nice pair of jack stands are less than the cost of those jacks. If Stands cost too much then place a couple of pieces of 6x6 on the ground under the tires and lower the car on those.

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Old 07-25-2018, 02:17 PM   #3
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Old 07-25-2018, 02:17 PM   #4
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FYI, I used the scissor jack one time to lift up my car I had to lift it up pretty high the scissor jack collapsed and cracked my passenger side rocker panel. I will never use a scissor jack again. I was using it correctly on the pinch weld on a flat surface. The jack came out of my wife's equinox so it should be able to support the camaro no problem, but it didn't.
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Old 07-25-2018, 02:29 PM   #5
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I had a scissor jack kick out from a Humvee when I was under it. The Humvee was on the jack but still had a jackstand under it, so it just fell a few inches before it landed on the jackstand instead of me.

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Old 07-25-2018, 02:29 PM   #6
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I use this .... drive on drive off ..
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Old 07-25-2018, 02:30 PM   #7
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Yeah that looks like death. Block has some angle to it and nothing to keep it on the jack. I would not trust that at all.
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Is that scissor jack made by Darwin or Murphy?
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I thrust those 4x4's more than that scissor jake
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If you're suggesting these scissors jacks be used as jack stands to allow a person to get under the car that is a very very bad idea. Most scissors jacks have a warning decal showing don't get under the car with jack in use. The safety factor in the design of a jack stand is much greater than an scissors jack.
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Old 07-25-2018, 03:25 PM   #12
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Hate to be guy that poppies on your parade but this is a bad idea. Those jacks are intended as emergency only and are generally considered trash. I also wouldn't use those with the Addon lift blocks as there isn't anything to slip down into the groove of the jack. Way too easy for it to slip off. Throw it in the trunk and use it if you must to change a tire but don't use it to support the car.

If you are going to use these use them to lift the car only and place it directly on the pinch weld and not the lift block. Then immediately support the car with Jack Stands or some other method. A nice pair of jack stands are less than the cost of those jacks. If Stands cost too much then place a couple of pieces of 6x6 on the ground under the tires and lower the car on those.
I can find reasons to rain on anyone’s parade regardless of which method they use short of a full commercial lift system.

I would challenge anyone to find jack stands that will fit both the pinch welds and the add-on lift points. The problem I’ve found with jack stands is they don’t fit either. I tried two different sets and wound up returning them. Granted I haven’t tried them all, but after two that failed to properly engage the pinch welds I didn’t have much enthusiasm about running all over town looking for ones that would. Even then I wouldn’t have anything that would fit the lift-points.

Good scissors jacks aren’t junk. One advantage is they have no hydraulic seals which can burst, so provided they are stable they are quite safe. One problem some of them have is they are inherently unstable if they have no limit to how high they go. So if extended too far they are unstable. Another problem is they don’t work well on surfaces that aren’t level, which is a problem with most jacks.

I thought about modifying the saddle to fit the lift points, but after giving it a try I decided against it. There’s really no easy way they are going to slide off. The lift points aren’t flat and angle down in the middle. To slide forward or aft they would have to slide several inches which isn’t likely unless you fail to chock the car (which is a recipe for disaster regardless of method). The angle of the lift point is going to resist sliding side to side and the jacks are more stable in that direction.
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I hate to say it, but if you keep using them to get under the car, you definitely are running a heightened risk of ending up in the newspaper. Do what you want, it's your life, but using scissor jacks as jack stands is extremely dangerous.
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Old 07-25-2018, 03:36 PM   #14
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I can find reasons to rain on anyone’s parade regardless of which method they use short of a full commercial lift system.

I would challenge anyone to find jack stands that will fit both the pinch welds and the add-on lift points. The problem I’ve found with jack stands is they don’t fit either. I tried two different sets and wound up returning them. Granted I haven’t tried them all, but after two that failed to properly engage the pinch welds I didn’t have much enthusiasm about running all over town looking for ones that would. Even then I wouldn’t have anything that would fit the lift-points.

Good scissors jacks aren’t junk. One advantage is they have no hydraulic seals which can burst, so provided they are stable they are quite safe. One problem some of them have is they are inherently unstable if they have no limit to how high they go. So if extended too far they are unstable. Another problem is they don’t work well on surfaces that aren’t level, which is a problem with most jacks.

I thought about modifying the saddle to fit the lift points, but after giving it a try I decided against it. There’s really no easy way they are going to slide off. The lift points aren’t flat and angle down in the middle. To slide forward or aft they would have to slide several inches which isn’t likely unless you fail to chock the car (which is a recipe for disaster regardless of method). The angle of the lift point is going to resist sliding side to side and the jacks are more stable in that direction.
Been using these for years. They fit the Camaro as well as every other car I've had to pick up for the last 20 yrs just fine.

https://www.sears.com/ac-delco-2-ton...&blockType=G39

If it were me I'd lose the lift blocks. Don't see the point of them.

As for the Scissor jacks. All I can say is make sure your health insurance is paid up and you have the correct beneficiary on you life insurance.

In all seriousness. I've see scissor jacks like those collapse a half dozen times or more and have personally had a car fall off one when someone closed the door. Not going to try to talk you out of this but we will submit you for the Darwin award winner of the year.

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