[Ren Lacerda]

Will I be okay running my 2017 SS at NCCAR in HPDEs using ATE Typ 200 and flushing/replacing after each weekend?

Or do I really need Motul RBF600/660. You can notice by the question I'm a novice, so don't expect to go too fast, plus NCCAR is not a very fast track.

[Stephen12ZL1]

Originally Posted by Ren Lacerda

Will I be okay running my 2017 SS at NCCAR in HPDEs using ATE Typ 200 and flushing/replacing after each weekend?

Or do I really need Motul RBF600/660. You can notice by the question I'm a novice, so don't expect to go too fast, plus NCCAR is not a very fast track.

Anything above factory DOT3 will be OK for your first events. NCCAR isn't a terrible track on brakes. Consider Motul 600 the next time as it's cheap insurance

[Ren Lacerda]

Thanks. Service manual says brake fluid capacity is 0.86 liter, so 2x 500ml bottles of RBF 600 should be enough to flush and replace. Is this correct or should I get a third bottle?

Also, some folks told me to take extra brake fluid to the track. To my knowledge we shouldn't top off brake fluid. Am I missing something?

[cdrptrks]

I run Stoptech 600 fluid for about a year between flushes. Flushing after every track weekend seems excessive to me.

Maybe they recommended bringing extra brake fluid just in case you manage to boil your brake fluid so you can do a flush at the track between sessions.

[ICTsccaCamaro]

I ran mine with factory stock dot3 for 3 trackdays before changing to dot 4 with no issues

[Alpha1BC]

Originally Posted by Ren Lacerda

Will I be okay running my 2017 SS at NCCAR in HPDEs using ATE Typ 200 and flushing/replacing after each weekend?

Or do I really need Motul RBF600/660. You can notice by the question I'm a novice, so don't expect to go too fast, plus NCCAR is not a very fast track.

The ATE fluid will be just fine, especially if you're not pushing to the limit. I've been running it in mine the last few years without issues and running hard on track. Just make sure you install the track brake deflector kit if you haven't already and flush fluid with new at least once a year and you'll be golden.

Originally Posted by Ren Lacerda

Thanks. Service manual says brake fluid capacity is 0.86 liter, so 2x 500ml bottles of RBF 600 should be enough to flush and replace. Is this correct or should I get a third bottle?

Also, some folks told me to take extra brake fluid to the track. To my knowledge we shouldn't top off brake fluid. Am I missing something?

Yeah, 2 bottles of that would be enough, just have to be precise with how much you flush through each corner which can be tricky if your original fluid hasn't discolored at all. Yes, bring extra fluid to the track with you. Will come in handy if you leak fluid anywhere and need to replenish, but no need to top off if you aren't leaking fluid from anywhere or are only seeing the reservoir drop a little bit. As you use the pads the reservoir level will drop a bit since there's more fluid in the calipers when the pistons are further extended at rest. All of that fluid will get pushed back out the reservoir when you go to change pads in the future if you top off, so just be aware of that.

Originally Posted by ICTsccaCamaro

I ran mine with factory stock dot3 for 3 trackdays before changing to dot 4 with no issues

That's a terrible suggestion. This thread is a perfect example of why not to do that: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=552742

[Tim M]

ATE 200: Used to run that for years - never an issue.

Original fluid: oops, I'd be guilty of that too. Only 18 months and 6 events or so.
Admittedly, I monitor my braking use and consider myself to a light braker...I had no issues.

[ICTsccaCamaro]

Originally Posted by Alpha1BC

That's a terrible suggestion. This thread is a perfect example of why not to do that: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=552742

Just stating what I did myself and looking at that thread it looks to have happened in Dubai so take that with a grain of salt.
Yes if your car is a few years old, fresh Dot 4 would be great, but if it's your 1st time on track, going slow in novice group and the car is new the stock set up should be more than adequate.
At least the stock fluid was adequate to slow mine down for 3 trackdays with 20mins sessions braking from 140+ with 2 seasons of autocross added on also.

[Badmojo]

I would not recommend tracking with the factory fluid. I did and got butt puckering brake fade my 3rd track day. GM factory fills the cars with the same stuff they put in Cobalts. Spend the money to get Castrol SRF or another top tier track fluid. You have been warned.

[cirpower]

I tracked my car on the OEM fluid and got some brake fade, but it was manageable, however, I have been racing for more than 20 years and even won some national championships in Europe (when I was young ).

I agree with ICTsccaCamaro, for the novice group try the OEM fluid and see how it works. Once you run into brake fade, try to brake less first and then get the fluid changed for next time.

[TrackClub]

We are proly confusing the poor OP completely

I know of no reputable club, or HPDE organization that would require a novice level driver to show up with anything but FRESH stock fluid and at least 50% of pads left.

And for those, that may try this hobby once or twice, that's probably a right decision, as oem fluid will perform adequately in general DD situations for years. Because, unlike race fluids, it does not absorb moisture as fast.

However, if one commits to the hobby and starts gaining pace, by all means it is absolutely prudent to upgrade to DOT4 type (or other racing) fluid. And then, one commits to either bleeding it a few times per season, or at least once (a la SRF) and then flushing it before each new season. Because it is not only the fluid spec that matters, but its age. Would i track with 2 yrs old SRF? NO WAY!

So, to the OP: nothing wrong to have extra assurance even for your first track day. But keep in mind DOT4 won't last nearly as long as the OEM fluid. So...if you try the hobby and call it quits, go back to OEM fluid.

NB regarding the vid...
Suffice it to say, if i met somebody driving like that while at open track event, i would be high tailing it for the paddock asap! But that's me.

[Badmojo]

I think the general guidance of "go ahead and use the factory fluid," against the OEM manual, and multiple documented wrecked cars is foolish. Especially considering you can eliminate the risk for less than $80 if you change the fluid yourself.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Badmojo

I think the general guidance of "go ahead and use the factory fluid," against the OEM manual, and multiple documented wrecked cars is foolish. Especially considering you can eliminate the risk for less than $80 if you change the fluid yourself.

I don't disagree, but allow me to further qualify what i would suggest to the OP in a more specific fashion:

Given his car potentially has a 4 yrs old oem fluid:

1. If this may be a one off event to experience driving on a track: put FRESH OEM fluid.

2. If after the first outing this hobby beacons and more track events are on a horizon: go with DOT4 and bleed/flush it accordingly.

3. If OP has already decided to pursue track hobby, go directly to #2.

I fully realize the manual specs DOT4 for track. But that's a very general (and legal) statement, which doesn't differentiate between experience level, etc. Regarding the wrecked cars - not much details are available regarding specific circumstances per se. The only thing i can say is that i cant recall a novice wrecking on their first outing due to brake fluid ever. This is assuming a well run event with qualified instructors etc vs "anything goes open track" events.

[Stephen12ZL1]

He is clear stating he isn't going to run factory fluid...ATE 200 will suffice at NCCAR in novice group. This thread went on a tangent. All of the information is very good, however.