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Old 06-05-2020, 06:37 AM   #15
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Thank you very much guys, appreciate every response. Good call on fixing the truck yourself, JT58, it was simply not an option for me. Indeed it could've been much worse, I'm fortunately all right, and nothing sears in like learning the hard way, oh well.

She's going in for the PPF wrap on Friday.
For sure glad no one was hurt- that is the main thing in any accident. It's upsetting enough to be involved in an accident and as long as you learn from the error (and correct it forever) you are good to go.

I still remember 45 years ago my first accident in my very first vehicle- a Gen 1 Bronco. It was a rainy day and the roof was leaking in the back somewhere. I took my eyes off of the road for a second to look to see where the leak was coming from. I ran a stop sign and broadsided a car. No one hurt and I fixed the Bronco myself with junk yard parts.

To this day I remember that accident and anytime I attempt to look away from the road- to look for something in the car- rattle, leak, something fell on the floor, etc. that accident comes into my mind and I keep my eyes on the road and do not look away. I learned my lesson well and it wiil never happen again.
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Old 06-05-2020, 07:13 AM   #16
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Glad you are ok and the repair is back to normal.

I'm confused by this:

(waiting one second too long for stabilitrak to kick in, to avoid overcorrecting into oncoming traffic, big mistake)

What do you mean by waiting? Stabilitrak is on all the time and although Camaro and Corvette give you a long leash, you don't wait for it. It's just on and IF on should keep the car pretty stable. And when you say big mistake, if you had Stabilitrak on how is it a mistake?
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Old 06-05-2020, 11:03 AM   #17
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Glad everyone's okay. I have never been in an accident but I had a few close misses and I also saw one happen right in front of my eyes. It was a T intersection and I am at the lower intersection of the T waiting at the red light. The light turned yellow for the other 2 sides, there was a car that ran yellow going straight and another car that was doing a left turn as the light is turning yellow. Bam. I learned my lesson there about doing left turns carefully.

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Old 06-05-2020, 12:12 PM   #18
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Glad to hear that you and your Camaro are doing okay arpad_m.��
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Old 06-05-2020, 12:21 PM   #19
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Glad to hear and great advice. One other variable is the extra power your car has. That makes reaction and correction even more critical. Glad to hear someone did great work on your car too.
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Old 06-05-2020, 05:03 PM   #20
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Arpad - I'm sorry to hear this happened. Relieved that you're OK and it's great to hear you got a really good repair job done on the car.


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I'm confused by this:

(waiting one second too long for stabilitrak to kick in, to avoid overcorrecting into oncoming traffic, big mistake)

What do you mean by waiting? Stabilitrak is on all the time and although Camaro and Corvette give you a long leash, you don't wait for it. It's just on and IF on should keep the car pretty stable. And when you say big mistake, if you had Stabilitrak on how is it a mistake?
It reads to me like the stabilitrak didn't seem to be doing enough soon enough and arpad was afraid of having it suddenly add a stronger correction on top of his own and end up with the double dose of corrections sending him into the oncoming traffic.

It's at least possible that all those conditions that contributed to poor tire grip and loss of control in the first place were at least initially limiting what the stabilitrak could effectively do.


I've actually heard of one case where a stability control action added to the human driver correction, so that can happen. Fortunately that instance did not involve other traffic or an 'off', and fortunately I've only heard of just that one so far.


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Old 06-05-2020, 05:09 PM   #21
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This almost same scenario happened to me last year, I remember you helped me out a while back for the RS headlight harness.

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Old 06-05-2020, 07:39 PM   #22
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I messed up
Now that you mention it, I do realize now you've been mia. Glad all is well again and it was more or less "just a lesson learned".
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Old 06-05-2020, 08:55 PM   #23
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arpad_m, glad it worked out as well as you could expect.

What driving mode were you in when it happened?

I ask because a few months back when it still pretty cold for the Supercar 3 tires, I put mine into Competitive Mode, which is supposed to turn off TC but leave some degree of StabiliTrak on, and next thing I knew, the rear spun 90 degrees on me before I could react. From past experience, I think Tour or Sport should be more aggressive StabiliTrak, but not sure.
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:46 PM   #24
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Thanks again everyone for the support, much appreciated. I know it's on me and my relative lack of skill, but I'm learning, hopefully First accident ever with me behind the wheel (rode shotgun into two when I was younger), and being a recovering perfectionist I sure know how to rub it in with myself, didn't sleep at all the first night after it.

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Glad you are ok and the repair is back to normal.

I'm confused by this:

(waiting one second too long for stabilitrak to kick in, to avoid overcorrecting into oncoming traffic, big mistake)

What do you mean by waiting? Stabilitrak is on all the time and although Camaro and Corvette give you a long leash, you don't wait for it. It's just on and IF on should keep the car pretty stable. And when you say big mistake, if you had Stabilitrak on how is it a mistake?
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It reads to me like the stabilitrak didn't seem to be doing enough soon enough and arpad was afraid of having it suddenly add a stronger correction on top of his own and end up with the double dose of corrections sending him into the oncoming traffic.
Yep, what Norm says. I simply overthought the whole thing, waited for over a second doing nothing with no steering input at all, because I remember another time when I deliberately triggered a similar slip to see how much the car intervenes, it pulled the rear straight fairly quickly and forcefully. Again, this is on me, not trying to blame the computer, especially since I added extra power, should've applied gradual correction instead of just waiting, as Redlinez also noted.

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arpad_m, glad it worked out as well as you could expect.

What driving mode were you in when it happened?

I ask because a few months back when it still pretty cold for the Supercar 3 tires, I put mine into Competitive Mode, which is supposed to turn off TC but leave some degree of StabiliTrak on, and next thing I knew, the rear spun 90 degrees on me before I could react. From past experience, I think Tour or Sport should be more aggressive StabiliTrak, but not sure.
I was in sport mode and gave too much gas in a very slight turn for the conditions (cold pavement, cold new tires, mind distracted with unrelated crap).
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Old 06-06-2020, 02:38 AM   #25
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Amen brother. Glad you are ok and hopefully looking into the cause of frustration that were distracting you!!
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Old 06-06-2020, 10:05 AM   #26
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This just seems so crazy to lose control, but then I think about how an auto is more than happy to downshift to peak power/torque. I just never ever seem to experience anything similar with a manual and have to think a lot of these issues (people losing control on streets) is due to flooring it in an auto vs. manual.
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Old 06-06-2020, 09:21 PM   #27
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This just seems so crazy to lose control, but then I think about how an auto is more than happy to downshift to peak power/torque. I just never ever seem to experience anything similar with a manual and have to think a lot of these issues (people losing control on streets) is due to flooring it in an auto vs. manual.
You're making a good point in general, although not for this case, I was in the middle of the rev range at maybe 35-40% throttle and the trans didn't try to downshift. My [tuned] A8 is not unreasonably eager with downshifts even in sport mode, unless performance shift mode is activated, and even I'm not stupid enough to do that in 45-50° weather

In my experience this stepping out of the rear is a potential issue in 3.5-4k rpm, high torque, low/uneven traction situations, already present when the car was stock and obviously more pronounced since I got the Maggie. The driver is expected to manage it, which I failed to do this one time.

BTW the new front end and the mirrors are now wrapped in Xpel, making it easier to concentrate on actual driving instead of worrying about pesky rock chips all the time.
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Old 06-10-2020, 04:25 PM   #28
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D&M Auto Body in Rockaway. Unfortunately, they were no strangers (met them through wifey's mishaps), and they always did good and thorough work. Worked through everything properly with full OEM and exact aftermarket replacements, even put on a new Velossa big mouth for the one that got demolished—they called me and asked what that "bunch of glossy black plastic shards" was coming from, heh ("must have been some kind of ram air").
I know D&M well, went there last year and they assessed my sh!tty GM paint job. They were actually the ones that found my summit white bumper had hyper blue paint underneath, on a new car. Would have gone to them for the work as well, but they're not a GM authorized facility so didn't have that option.

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