[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by The Chief (tm)

I didn't, and wouldn't, watch the video.

Why comment about it then?

[Nataphen]

By the way, another question based on the mindset of the original post. How good of a car is a ZL1 or ZL1 1LE in the snow again?


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[SwL_Wildcat]

Originally Posted by CalgaryZL1

Where I am, with up to -32°F for weeks at a time I would have range and systems anxiety with the car keeping it and my self alive.

Yeah. I lived in Alberta from 1977 to 2021. -40, -50 happened every year. When it got cold (-30 or colder) I just let my truck run 24/7. Not really an option with an EV, then the grid goes down like last week.

[Gunkk]

As a short-trip DD in warm climates when you have another vehicle for the "extreme moments of life" they're great, but EV's are no bueno for evacuating during and after hurricanes. Long lines at the half-broken charging stations and it's a Nova when the power's out for a week. How long does "camping mode" last anyway? (honest question, because it can also be a benefit as a power source when the house is dark).

I wouldn't use my ZL1 to evacuate a hurricane, but I can fit >10 gallons of gas in the trunk in a pinch if things go to sh!t with my family hauler ... so that's >500mi total range in the ZL1 if I drive it easy. Enough to get me far enough out of FL not to worry.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

As a short-trip DD in warm climates when you have another vehicle for the "extreme moments of life" they're great, but EV's are no bueno for evacuating during and after hurricanes. Long lines at the half-broken charging stations and it's a Nova when the power's out for a week. How long does "camping mode" last anyway? (honest question, because it can also be a benefit as a power source when the house is dark).

I wouldn't use my ZL1 to evacuate a hurricane, but I can fit >10 gallons of gas in the trunk in a pinch if things go to sh!t with my family hauler ... so that's >500mi total range in the ZL1 if I drive it easy. Enough to get me far enough out of FL not to worry.

I would have to disagree with this. This would be true assuming a gasoline paradigm. But if I’m on Hilton Head Island and there’s an evacuation called, and I have an EV with a 250 mile range, I can make it most of the way to Atlanta (and pretty much out of the evacuation zone) without having to worry about stopping for charge. I use this example because I did get evacuated from HHI many years ago. Only needed about 100 or so miles inland to be declared clear of the path. Evacuation route speeds are so slow that you have a very high probability of actually achieving maximum range. EVs are opposite gasoline cars in that they get their best mileage at city speeds and stop start driving and their worst mileage at highway speeds.

Good question on camping mode. I’ll have to ask on the Tesla site.

[Martinjlm]

Straight from the Tesla universe. Camping in Canada in cold weather. Probably similar situation camping in Texas in hot weather. (Heavy AC use instead of heavy heater use)

https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/...ficiency-test/

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Straight from the Tesla universe. Camping in Canada in cold weather. Probably similar situation camping in Texas in hot weather. (Heavy AC use instead of heavy heater use)

https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-y/...ficiency-test/

Literally used 57% of the battery overnight (9:30 PM to 5:00 AM - 7.5hrs). So good enough for a single night emergency, but not for any additional time.

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

HEY!! I am not THAT old. Geez!!

Maybe not gas v steam old, but I'm guessing you're powerglide old, or close to it anyway. Btw: I resemble that last remark myself!

[The Chief (tm)]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Why comment about it then?

Because it was outrageously, stupendously, near paralyzingly funny. Plus, I'm allowed.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by L78toLT1

Maybe not gas v steam old, but I'm guessing you're powerglide old, or close to it anyway. Btw: I resemble that last remark myself!

Nope. I’m half-past THM400 and quarter to 440T4. One of my first jobs was production process layout including equipment acquisition for the “first ever GM 4-speed FWD transmission”. Powerglide was a faint memory to the older guys I worked with.

[HDRDTD]

Originally Posted by L78toLT1

Maybe not gas v steam old, but I'm guessing you're powerglide old, or close to it anyway. Btw: I resemble that last remark myself!

At his current age, he just doesn't REMEMBER the powerslide.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by Owl3

If you grew up in the 60's it was the L-88 'vette nobody wanted to buck up for to get the 400+ (more like really 500) HP. As I recall, that option was more than (maybe near) the base price of the car

I always dreamed of buying a 69’ Vette with an L88. That never happened, but GM if I remember correctly rated the L88 at a lower rpm than the next theoretically higher HP variant. I believe the L88 was 430 hp vs L89 435 hp for less money. I’ve long forgotten the other engine option codes. Anyway I guess they really didn’t want that engine option out there in public world. Rather a sneaky way to qualify for SCCA rules if I recall.
I actually think it’s cool that the factory tracking guide for the ZL1 recommends 100+ octane fuel. It’s reminiscent of the L88 fuel octane tag.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by ohsmily

Exactly. Well said.

X2

The CLICK BAIT goes wild on this stuff.

EV has a place and a purpose for those that commute long distances every day and charge at home. Let the market dictate where it goes. Good for some and not for others.

[george]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The thing is a Model S Plaid is not only quick in a straight line but its also corners amazingly well, better than a Camaro SS or ZL1, only a ZL1 1LE has an advantage. It pulls 1.08g on the skidpad.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

This is ALL part of what makes these vehicles amazingly fun to drive. The only thing you're "missing" is the sound of an ICE. There are pros and cons to that also, there's something amazingly fun about being so quick and stealthy. In the Plaid you can punch the throttle anywhere when you want to have fun without notifying everyone and every LEO in a 1/2 mile radius.

My concern is the extinction of my right to drive a car that has an infrastructure in place to keep me and others safe. As others have pointed out, our tax dollars shouldn’t be spent to prop up a technology that is not reliable enough for us as a society on a whole. That includes difficult decisions regarding charging these vehicles in inclement weather. I’m not against the technology when it is safe, efficient, affordable and reliable. No matter how people spin this, this technology is being subsidized by the government and the majority of the public can’t afford it. It’s not right that elite get $7500 subsidies for these EVs costing 35k at a minimum, when I know people that can’t even afford a used ICE car that costs $7500. It’s wrong for our government to grease the skids rather than let the market dictate what is best. Germany is already balking. They are revising the use of “biofuels” such as HVO100 (hydrated vegetable oil) for their diesel vehicles. Diesel vehicles in Germany are abundant and they are very reliable. HVO has been shown to be very environmentally friendly and decreases emissions by 95-100 percent with today’s technology. Diesel is actually cheaper per liter than gasoline in Europe. There is also development in biofuels for ICE vehicles. The Germans are saying this is the bridge until alternative EVs become more affordable, economical and reliable.