[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

I wasn't implying that only 4th gear be changed. I was saying that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th gears should all be spaced slightly closer together to keep the engine in it's upper powerband longer. Currently the gear spacing is 3.24/2.10/1.42/1.00/0.81/0.62. Without any testing to back my theory, I'd suggest something more like 3.24/2.25/1.60/1.17/0.92/0.62 or something like that.

Anyway, obviously they have a reason for doing what they do as they spaced the A10 gearing perfectly for optimum acceleration. Just curious about the M6 choices is all.

Yea it's definitely a curious choice, though I bet the m6 guys who boost their cars probably won't mind it much.

Same as the m6 mustang would benefit from re gearing for straight line performance the camaro could as well. Sure the camaros t6060 gearing does a better job of keeping it in the power band but you could alter the camaro m6 for better straight line performance as well though, especially the 3,4,& 5 spacing. Although I do find the camaros gearing more than acceptable for overall performance, straight line and corner carving.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

Doesn't matter. There are plenty who are and never buy an "exotic" car. You can't lump everyone together.

It does matter to people who have that kind of disposable income. I’ve socialized with a few guys who have that kind of money and they are on a completely different level. You think you’re making decent money and you realize you can’t afford to eat in the same restaurants they do. They may acknowledge the corvette puts impressive numbers down and it does but they aren’t cross shopping the two.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I'm talking about used Z06s.

Wasn't the one trick pony GT350R selling for like well over $70K for a stripped down example after markups with only 526HP and got it's ass kicked by the $63K ZL1 like yesterday??

It sure did too bad it needed a large hp advantage to do so yet it still lost the H2H matchup that everyone so desperately wanted as the R was judged the better car. Wishing this review away wont make it happen.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Like you said, that was 5 years ago by the time the gt500 lands. In todays automotive environment that is a long time, at least to me anyways. Also to note, msrp for the zle is 71-73k. However, people are getting them 6-8k off msrp, including me. 65k before ttl. With the 500 being a limited production (at least that's what I thought I read) as well as fords adm, you're not getting one for msrp. Probably lucky if you can get one for 10k above.

I don't think that the 500 will hold ADMs as long as the GT350R did. You should be ab le to find a non Carbon Track Package for MSRP in 6-12 months. The issue is people pay the price they feel the vehicle is worth, if its MSRP +ADM, or heavily discounted MSRP.

Doesn't matter to me my days of buying anything brand new are over, I will happily let someone else take the financial kick in the chest with depreciation.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It sure did too bad it needed a large hp advantage to do so yet it still lost the H2H matchup that everyone so desperately wanted as the R was judged the better car. Wishing this review away wont make it happen.

The H2H where the camaro won every objective performance metric and the gt350r was preferred by the two reviewers from a subjective point of view. What a loss!

The zl1 needs more power to be faster than the gt350r, the gt350 needs more power to not be faster than the ss 1le.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It sure did too bad it needed a large hp advantage to do so yet it still lost the H2H matchup that everyone so desperately wanted as the R was judged the better car. Wishing this review away wont make it happen.

Ok. In my subjective view the ZL1 wins.

What does the objective data say?

Nobody wished the review away. I'm glad it's there. Because I wanted the car with better performance. That is why I buy my cars. Not because 2 people I never met before claims they personally like a car better than another. I can't speak for others.

And since the ZL1 needed a large HP advantage, what's gonna be your excuse when the 760 HP GT500 loses to the ZLE around a track?

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The H2H where the camaro won every objective performance metric and the gt350r was preferred by the two reviewers from a subjective point of view. What a loss!

The zl1 needs more power to be faster than the gt350r, the gt350 needs more power to not be faster than the ss 1le.

And the GT500 needs a LOT more power to be slower than the ZL1 and C8!!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

The H2H where the camaro won every objective performance metric and the gt350r was preferred by the two reviewers from a subjective point of view. What a loss!

The zl1 needs more power to be faster than the gt350r, the gt350 needs more power to not be faster than the ss 1le.

I'm not sure but maybe the same reason the ZL1 needs heavy incentives to move off the lots and the 350R doesn't and the 500 won't, might be the metric that you folks seem to ignore.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm not sure but maybe the same reason the ZL1 needs heavy incentives to move off the lots and the 350R doesn't and the 500 won't, might be the metric that you folks seem to ignore.

The ZL1 "lost" that H2H because it doesn't have the "drama" the 350 has. It is easy to control, stable, smooth, effortless". That's what they said.

Meanwhile the 350 has more drama than a chick flick. It vibrates, shakes, under and oversteers and it might burst into flame at any moment.

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

The ZL1 "lost" that H2H because it doesn't have the "drama" the 350 has. It is easy to control, stable, smooth, effortless". That's what they said.

Meanwhile the 350 has more drama than a chick flick. It vibrates, shakes, under and oversteers and it might burst into flame at any moment.

It lost that H2H because the GT350 was the car they would rather be driving. I know that’s hard for you to accept, but that’s exactly what they said and it’s the reason why 16,000 GT350’s later they still sell for MSRP or above.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

It lost that H2H because the GT350 was the car they would rather be driving. I know that’s hard for you to accept, but that’s exactly what they said and it’s the reason why 16,000 GT350’s later they still sell for MSRP or above.

Which Mustang do you have again?

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

Which Mustang do you have again?

Sorry bud, but these aren’t my words....

“The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I've had the privilege of experiencing. It's simply excellent. This Shelby's shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn't take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R's just more fun to drive.”

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by Ethanolic

Sorry bud, but these aren’t my words....

“The thing is, when you get these two studs on a winding canyon road, the Shelby is the car you want to be driving. That steering simply comes alive. The GT350R sports one of the best-feeling front ends I've had the privilege of experiencing. It's simply excellent. This Shelby's shifter shifts better, the engine feels better (who wouldn't take an 8,250-rpm redline over a 6,500-rpm limit?), the brake pedal feels better, and the car is simply sportier in every way. The R's just more fun to drive.”

So....again. Which Mustang do you own?

[Ethanolic]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

So....again. Which Mustang do you own?

So reading is not your strong suit?