[Clear141]

If I could change anything it would be the styling. I bought for the name/heritage and the performance!!! and the clear indication that GM had gone full virtue signaler. I believe most of us think that pre 4th gen our cars had a beautifully aggressive appearance that said F off without actually saying it. They really missed the mark in the decades since. You want to compete with the big 3? Give us something that resembles an American kick ass muscle car instead of something that looks like it came out of Europe or Asia. Hell Corvettes used to be gorgeous, now they look like Italian super cars- no thank you. 99% of people I come in contact with don’t have any idea what I’m driving. Just proves in my opinion why Ford and Dodge outsell Chevy consistently by large margins. My bias is making me tolerate this car’s appearance, not my rational side. I do appreciate certain parts of my car, appearance wise, but I’m no longer blinded by my bias. Chevy has failed its consumer’s and by extension itself. In the meantime I’ll enjoy what I have, reminisce about the past and shed a tear for what could have been. Happy to answer questions and respond to the negatives.

[2SS Capt]

Originally Posted by Clear141

If I could change anything it would be the styling. I bought for the name/heritage and the performance!!! and the clear indication that GM had gone full virtue signaler. I believe most of us think that pre 4th gen our cars had a beautifully aggressive appearance that said F off without actually saying it. They really missed the mark in the decades since. You want to compete with the big 3? Give us something that resembles an American kick ass muscle car instead of something that looks like it came out of Europe or Asia. Hell Corvettes used to be gorgeous, now they look like Italian super cars- no thank you. 99% of people I come in contact with don’t have any idea what I’m driving. Just proves in my opinion why Ford and Dodge outsell Chevy consistently by large margins. My bias is making me tolerate this car’s appearance, not my rational side. I do appreciate certain parts of my car, appearance wise, but I’m no longer blinded by my bias. Chevy has failed its consumer’s and by extension itself. In the meantime I’ll enjoy what I have, reminisce about the past and shed a tear for what could have been. Happy to answer questions and respond to the negatives.

I agree I feel like the C8 Corvette now looks like a "European Supercar" which is why I will never buy one (even thought I could afford one and it would out perform my 2020 2SS)...

However, I disagree with you about the Camaro SS / ZL1... I still think the Gen 6 Camaro SS and ZL1 definitely look like a "Bad Bitch"... While it may be "Modern Muscle", to me it is still "American Muscle"...

(Shots of my 2020 2SS taken by a professional car photographer friend of my daughter in Carlsbad, CA...)

[JamesNoBrakes]

The great thing about the Camaro is it's moved on past the terrible muscle car genre, to something that actually handles and performs (read: it turns!) in places other than a straight line. Don't go backwards.

[LT4Greg]

Yes the 6gen Camaro is superior to all the previous generations and I personally think that GM nailed it on the looks and performance especially the ZL1 and SS.

[PizzzzzaForPresident]

Have you driven any of those other cars you're talking about? The Camaro isn't being outsold because of the styling. It's the best sports car of the three, but the factors that make it a good sports car also make it the least practical and least comfortable for daily driving of the three. It has the worst visibility by far, the least storage, the most cramped interior and the least forgiving ride. Most people don't want a sports car. They want a sporty looking car but only kinda sporty driving car. That ain't the Camaro. The Challenger is a la-z-boy on wheels and the Mustang is its slimmer cousin. It's the same reason the Corvette sells well and the Viper bombed. Most people want the appearance of sporty with none of the baggage that comes along with actually being a sports car. It's also why Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin and Porsche all have SUVs.

For what it's worth, I love the 6th gen's styling, especially the '16-18 SS models. I couldn't care less about the generations between the 1st and 6th.

[s346k]

bruh have you even looked at a pre 19 ss 1LE or ZL1?

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Clear141

If I could change anything it would be the styling. I bought for the name/heritage and the performance!!! and the clear indication that GM had gone full virtue signaler. I believe most of us think that pre 4th gen our cars had a beautifully aggressive appearance that said F off without actually saying it. They really missed the mark in the decades since. You want to compete with the big 3? Give us something that resembles an American kick ass muscle car instead of something that looks like it came out of Europe or Asia. Hell Corvettes used to be gorgeous, now they look like Italian super cars- no thank you. 99% of people I come in contact with don’t have any idea what I’m driving. Just proves in my opinion why Ford and Dodge outsell Chevy consistently by large margins. My bias is making me tolerate this car’s appearance, not my rational side. I do appreciate certain parts of my car, appearance wise, but I’m no longer blinded by my bias. Chevy has failed its consumer’s and by extension itself. In the meantime I’ll enjoy what I have, reminisce about the past and shed a tear for what could have been. Happy to answer questions and respond to the negatives.

IMO the original 6th gen Camaro team did just that with the 2016-2018 design—it was still masculine and angled just enough to carry some of the heritage across while also being a modern sports car in terms of capabilities. The 2019 refresh messed up the original design language in the front and rear, now the car doesn't look consistent, it's half Honda Accord, half Camaro, except for the ZL1 where GM didn't even bother to redesign the front end. There clearly are people who like the redesign, but sales numbers haven't improved tangibly, and subjective tastes aside, the design inconsistency is undeniable, it's not a matter of personal preferences.

Just FYI, some ex-GM members, e.g. Number 3 religiously visit these topics to claim that visibility, small rear legroom/headroom and lack of trunk space are the reasons the Camaro is going away while the Mustang enjoys a 7th generation, which was originally caused by GM's mistake in listening to enthusiasts about the design instead of designing the car for mass market appeal and usability.

I'm not saying this has no merit, the car clearly has less everyday usability than the Challenger in the above areas, but it's also abundantly clear that GM hasn't given a rat's behind about the Camaro since late 2018 when the Camaro team was disbanded, all of the above shortcomings would've been easily fixable if they cared. Camaro powertrains haven't seen an iota of improvement either, adding the A10 to the SS is just a reconfiguration, and of course zero marketing/sales efforts have been expended, so low sales volumes are absolutely expected. (Interestingly, these latter points are never conceded by the same ex-GM employees, by the way.)

[Smokin19]

While looks will always be subjective, performance and stats for our Camaro can withstand any scrutiny. This being my last car I will buy has given so much pleasure than any car I have ever owned.

[jamala00]

Well I couldn't possibly disagree more, but looks are subjective. I've gotten so many compliments on how sweet my "Camaro" is. People know what it is and people love how it looks. I've never had one person ask me... Hey, what car is that... I've actually even had a couple people give me their phone number and said..."If you ever sell it, contact me first".

[Realist]

I have had at least one generation of the Camaro with the exception of the 2nd. My heart is split between a 69 Camaro and 6th Gen ZL1, still trying to figure would which route I’m going. The car isn’t for everyone, I would love to see the breakdown of Female and Male buyers of each Camaro, Challenger and Ford. You can’t sell what you don’t build. Lots of reasons the other 2 outsell, lower trims pricing, complaints of seeing outward, etc but I still think it’s the best pony car of the 3 with a manual transmission. The good, prices are still up and you can sell the Camaro and move on to an auto you prefer more.

[302crossram]

lose 400lbs and it could be one of the best cars in the world...

too heavy is my only beef

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by Clear141

If I could change anything it would be the styling. I bought for the name/heritage and the performance!!! and the clear indication that GM had gone full virtue signaler. I believe most of us think that pre 4th gen our cars had a beautifully aggressive appearance that said F off without actually saying it. They really missed the mark in the decades since. You want to compete with the big 3? Give us something that resembles an American kick ass muscle car instead of something that looks like it came out of Europe or Asia. Hell Corvettes used to be gorgeous, now they look like Italian super cars- no thank you. 99% of people I come in contact with don’t have any idea what I’m driving. Just proves in my opinion why Ford and Dodge outsell Chevy consistently by large margins. My bias is making me tolerate this car’s appearance, not my rational side. I do appreciate certain parts of my car, appearance wise, but I’m no longer blinded by my bias. Chevy has failed its consumer’s and by extension itself. In the meantime I’ll enjoy what I have, reminisce about the past and shed a tear for what could have been. Happy to answer questions and respond to the negatives.

Sounds like you should just sell it and move on. Maybe buy a Kia Stinger. Maybe a Mustang. Obviously your never really going to be happy. You'll keep posting how bad GM is and every little thing you dislike about your car, just sell it and let someone else appreciate it.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Either the pool of car enthusiasts who enjoy a performance vehicle like the 6th Gen Camaro is shrinking or GM sucks at marketing.

I think it’s a some of both but I believe that unfortunately it’s mainly the former. Vehicles will be appliances soon, with little to no attention paid to the driving experience and the focus solely on getting from point A to B with as little input from the driver as possible.

[LT1gen6]

Originally Posted by Clear141

I believe most of us think that pre 4th gen our cars had a beautifully aggressive appearance that said F off without actually saying it. They really missed the mark in the decades since.

For aggressive appearance that says "F off," install some middle-finger salute logos (paint, stickers, big foam fingers, etc) to your 6gen. Or, find a pre 4gen. Or, simply buy a current car that meets your criteria, if you don't enjoy or appreciate what you have. We support and encourage your decision.