07-03-2019, 07:26 AM | #1 |
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Magnuson VS Edelbrock 2650 questions
Now that the Magnuson is hitting the market i am curious to what the Mag has to offer over the Edelbrock. I know no hood cutting for the Mag, but Valve covers need to be modded or replaced. I also see it is two cooling bricks instead of 1 large one.
Questions; any advantage of two vs 1 large cooling brick? Any other mods on the Mag that are not visually apparent? Basically, are they the same in performance and just have to decide on price and if hood or vc going to be modded? For me, I would think either would meet my goals of 700-750rwhp with appropriate other parts such as Cam, TB, CAI, Exhaust, and Tune.
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07-03-2019, 09:40 AM | #2 |
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For that HP you don't need a 2650. The 2300 is more then sufficient.
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07-03-2019, 09:44 AM | #3 |
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I agree, but thinking long term. Pricing isn't too much different and if i change my mind later on, i have more room to grow. But you are correct, the 2300 would do the job too.
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I honestly expected no more than 20 HP from the swap. Really going to be interesting to see how the LT1 responds to this unit. We'll be running today, but will probably not get the dyno work finished until the weekend. |
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07-03-2019, 11:06 AM | #5 | |
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As you can see I'm making 700+ RWHP with no mods but the blower, 103mm TB and CAI on 91 octane pump (no meth). Turning the water/meth on and dropping pulley size by 5mm get it to 818 RWHP on an otherwise stock LT4 (I assume you're referring to your ZL1?) |
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07-03-2019, 11:52 AM | #6 | |
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07-03-2019, 11:54 AM | #7 |
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07-03-2019, 12:19 PM | #9 |
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The Magnum DI is only available as a Stage 2 housing, we don't have the full kits released yet (a couple more weeks), so the installs that you've seen to date are "head unit" installs where the shops mod as needed. There is very few parts needed for an LT4 install, mainly the relocation brackets for coils when using the stock valve covers and we don't have them in stock yet.
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07-03-2019, 12:59 PM | #10 | |
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07-03-2019, 05:39 PM | #11 |
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@toohighpsi - when you say no mods “but”... What exactly did you add to the LT4 to get to 700hp? 2650, 103mm TB, big gulp, and a tune? Exhaust? Fuel? Cam?
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07-04-2019, 05:55 AM | #12 |
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Mike's car has stock cam, stock exhaust, stock heads and on 91 pump gas and of course his tune. I just got mine yesterday and will install on Saturday, I expect to see an additional 100 rwhp, I could make much more but I don't have an additional low side fuel system such as a Dsx. I'm pulling off my 2300 that made just about 800 rwhp so if my fuel system will handle it we could be close to 900 with the 2650. At some point I will upgrade my fuel system and we will see where we go from there. We are detuned right now to about 770 to try and not break suspension parts or drivetrain (axles) so I'm thinking we will come in about 870 with my current setup with the 2650. Hope to see everyone at the Camaro Fest.
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07-04-2019, 05:04 PM | #13 |
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Any details on the Stage 2 housing...? Still fit underhood and flow more CFM similar to comparison of 2300R to a 2300?
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07-05-2019, 12:16 PM | #14 |
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Again, still looking for what else is different in the Mag vs Edelbrock besides height and cooling bricks. Anybody have a pic of the Mags cooling bricks?
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Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup
Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS. 2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 ** Born 3/17/17**Delivered 4/08/17 2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. **807hp/762tq on 93 gas** and **848hp/792tq on e47** Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive |
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