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Old 05-14-2014, 11:56 PM   #15
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Keep in mind that luxury cars from Cadillac will tend to weigh more than their Chevrolet stablemates.
True, but most forget to keep in mind what wakespeak says here:
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2015 ATS Coupe is 3418 lbs w/2.0 Turbo. A v-8 model will add beefier components, etc. I think we'll come in at best about 200lbs less than the Gen5 w/V-8 as others have said.
The "luxury" components lost may or may not significantly effect weight. But stronger components and overall bolstering of the car to allow it to handle Camaros higher outputs will.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:16 PM   #16
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Smaller platform and isn't the C7 engine lighter? I say 200-250lbs lighter in the 6th gen Camaro. The extra power will make up for any potential weight loss the new Mustang has.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:10 PM   #17
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The thing you are missing Number 3 is that the Cadillac and Impala don't perform the same as the Camaro. Well, the Cadillacs that do are far more expensive than a similar performing Camaro.

The base ATS coupe is $38,990. Do you want to pay high $40s for a base V8 Camaro? I sure as hell don't. I would rather the comfort dollars be spent developing a better performing Camaro. Whether or not you buy the options, they have to be engineered into the car. That drives up the costs for everyone.
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Old 05-19-2014, 07:20 PM   #18
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Also new government safety standards will add a lot of weight. Will be very difficult keeping weight on any vehicle. Even backup cameras are going to be government mandated on all cars from now on.
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Old 05-21-2014, 08:10 AM   #19
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Smaller platform and isn't the C7 engine lighter? I say 200-250lbs lighter in the 6th gen Camaro. The extra power will make up for any potential weight loss the new Mustang has.
I could be wrong but I think the LT1 is actually slightly heavier because of the direct injection but again i could be mistaken!
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Old 05-23-2014, 01:30 PM   #20
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I could be wrong but I think the LT1 is actually slightly heavier because of the direct injection but again i could be mistaken!
Yes it is most definitely heavier than the outgoing LS3.
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Old 05-23-2014, 02:48 PM   #21
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For me, I would love to see the 6th Gen around 3,400-3,500lbs. with the V-8, 2.0L turbo around 3,250-3,300lbs .....
That is 4th gen weight. A 6th gen won't ever be that weight sadly :( I did love my 2000 SS because of that feature, full tank of gas it weighed 3550lbs . . . wish I put a LS3 in it and kept it.
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Old 05-24-2014, 10:45 PM   #22
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The 2014 CTS Vsport and 2014 Chevy SS weight nearly exactly the same...despite all the miracle magic that Alpha is supposed to provide.
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Old 05-25-2014, 11:20 PM   #23
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Ok just to check what features on a Cadillac do you guys think don't belong on a highly optioned Gen 6 Camaro? Keep in mind the Gen5 launched with NO NAV, NO height adjustable passenger seat crappy sun visors, etc.

Go down the option list for features available on an Impala and you will see a long list of things not currently on the Camaro.......that should AND will be. Doesn't make it a Cadillac. GM will fail to exist if they continue to think the way to differentiate Cadillac and Chevy is to just hold back common every day feature available on Ford and Toyota.

And I'll say it again if an LT1 8 speed SS Camaro weighs less than 3650 pounds and costs within 10% of a current car you will have one of the most incredible engineering feets in auto history.

Keep in mind a C7 with an aluminum frame and Carbon Fiber is weighing in over 3,300 pounds now. How on earth can anyone think a Camaro can weigh within 200 pounds of that without costing an arm and a leg?
The Cady comes with leather, power passenger seat and premium sound system standard just to name a few. Those kind of options should be optional so that a Camaro starts out cheaper. I think the 6th gen should have a ton of cool options available but don't force buyers to pay for them if they don't want them. I like the way Ford has done the optioning on the Mustang. You can actually get a bare bones Mustang if you want with manual driver/passenger seat, no Sync or Bluetooth. Just a basic car tech wise. You could then add Brembo package, Recaro's, and a performance package for a all business car or save a ton of money and have a base car. That's the way GM should approach the 6th gen as well. This saves weight and expense if you don't want those items but gives you the ability to option them out if you desire.

The ATS with V6 is 3461lbs. There is no reason in the world that GM can't make a SS on the same chassis to be 3650. The chassis is already built. The r and d and mfg money has already been spent. It should not cost them much to use it on the 6th gen.

If the c7 had got the weight savings technology with no other changes it would have lost 150lbs or been in the 3000lb area. The problem is that it gained something like 70lbs in interior/comfort/tech standard upgrades. The rest was mechanical upgrades. So long as they don't force those fancy upgrades on the 6th gen it will be fine price wise and weight wise. It will be cool to have those kinds of options but ONLY if you specifically order it with them and want them.
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great discussion, I'm starting to wonder with the gm announcement of evolutionary not revolutionary and all the points here, is a weight loss possible. if not a weight loss can performance overcome the stagnation of weight? I get the idea of a universal platform for cost...
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I thought that the 6th Gen Camaro is going to be based off of the upcoming Caddy ATS, not the CTS(which is currently the same weight, almost similar to the current 5th Gen) ??? correct or no ??
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Old 05-26-2014, 03:30 PM   #26
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I would still love to see the "base" 2.0L Turbo(if they make it available) around 3,300-3,400lbs.
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Old 05-26-2014, 05:01 PM   #27
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I thought that the 6th Gen Camaro is going to be based off of the upcoming Caddy ATS, not the CTS(which is currently the same weight, almost similar to the current 5th Gen) ??? correct or no ??
The ATS and CTS use the same platform (Alpha). It remains to be seen whether the new Camaro will be closer in size to the ATS or the CTS. Only a select few inside GM and its suppliers would really know at this point. Obviously, those hoping for lower weight would prefer something closer to the ATS.
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Old 05-27-2014, 03:47 PM   #28
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If the 6th Gen is very similar in weight to what I have now in my 5th Gen then I'm not going to be interested ..... I would really hope that the 6th Gen is more in-line with what the 2015 ATS is going to be like, in which on Caddy's website claims "lightest in class" .... I am hoping the 6th Gen does come in around 3,500 for the V-8(just a hopeful wish) ....
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