[gbeaty]

Everyone seems to run the Vorshlag plates, but does anyone know how the GCs compare? From what I've gathered the Vorshlag plates are quiet; are the GCs quiet too?

For geometry reasons I'd like to push the strut inboard as much as possible. The Vorshlag plates look like they leave a little bit on the table here.

Thanks for any help.

[kropscamaro16]

never seen them before but i have the vorshlag and mcs coilover kit and they are both awesome!

[20Bluezl1]

I have the Vorshlag and there great

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by gbeaty

Everyone seems to run the Vorshlag plates, but does anyone know how the GCs compare? From what I've gathered the Vorshlag plates are quiet; are the GCs quiet too?

For geometry reasons I'd like to push the strut inboard as much as possible. The Vorshlag plates look like they leave a little bit on the table here.

Thanks for any help.

I have VORSHLAG. I get almost -4 degrees negative camber with them. I would NOT however classify them as being quiet. They are certainly nosier than the stock setup.

[gbeaty]

Originally Posted by sr71bb

I have VORSHLAG. I get almost -4 degrees negative camber with them. I would NOT however classify them as being quiet. They are certainly nosier than the stock setup.

Thanks, do they clunk? Or just pass more NVH into the cabin?

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by gbeaty

Thanks, do they clunk? Or just pass more NVH into the cabin?

On a rough road, you can hear them clunk but since I have also switched over to KW Variant 3 Coil Overs , I have noticed some increased suspension sounds any way. Any time rubber bushings are being replaced by urethane or aluminum style shims you going to have more noise particularly on rougher roads. It is VERY important on these VORSHLAG camber plates that you keep that 7/8" top nut TIGHT by occassionally using your impact on them. This prevents inner slop in the top part of the plate where that BIG bearing lives.

[DaveC113]

If you're not going to get coilovers at the same time, Vorshlag drops ride height a bit, GC raises it a bit.

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

If you're not going to get coilovers at the same time, Vorshlag drops ride height a bit, GC raises it a bit.

Dave,

When I asked Jason the techie at VORSHLAG about this quite some time ago he mentioned to me that THEY tried to design those plates where it DOESNT affect ride height compared to cars NOT running VORSHLAG camber plates.

Thats one reason they have different size spring perches that they can use. I didnt notice much ride height change personally when I switched to VORSHLAG vs. stock. It's possible others have I suppose but it shouldnt be much of a change.

On a side note, the SG3 suspension (GM supplied after market part) DID lower mine about a 1/2 an inch and CURRENTLY with the KW variant 3 coil overs I am ANOTHER 1/2 inch lower. This has resulted in about a ONE finger gap about both the front tires and rear tires to the center of the wheel well lip. (see pic below)

[jonwrong]

I was also looking at the Vorshlag camber plates to get the desired camber. I have also seen other mention replacing the stock strut to knuckle bolts with non-adjustable bolts in order to get all the adjustment in the plate itself and to eliminate any unwanted movement/slippage. It also looks like you end up needing to grid some of the strut gussets to get max wheel clearance. Has anyone done this? And, if so, what bolts did you use?

I am not planning to ever do coil overs with the magna ride already on my car. I would be looking to keep stock ride height as much as possible. With that said, any other thoughts?

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by jonwrong

I was also looking at the Vorshlag camber plates to get the desired camber. I have also seen other mention replacing the stock strut to knuckle bolts with non-adjustable bolts in order to get all the adjustment in the plate itself and to eliminate any unwanted movement/slippage. It also looks like you end up needing to grid some of the strut gussets to get max wheel clearance. Has anyone done this? And, if so, what bolts did you use?

I am not planning to ever do coil overs with the magna ride already on my car. I would be looking to keep stock ride height as much as possible. With that said, any other thoughts?

Yeah. I would call Jason over at Vorshlag and he will tell you exactly how to get max camber with Magride set up and their plates. The guy is a suspension Savant. Lol

[DaveC113]

I had a friend install my Vorshlag camber plates and then do an alignment for me. He said the front end dropped 1/4" or so.

I actually like the increased NVH, steering feel is better. Similar effect to installing the GMPP ZLE rear cradle bushings. More NVH but better road feel.

[sr71bb]

Originally Posted by jonwrong

I was also looking at the Vorshlag camber plates to get the desired camber. I have also seen other mention replacing the stock strut to knuckle bolts with non-adjustable bolts in order to get all the adjustment in the plate itself and to eliminate any unwanted movement/slippage. It also looks like you end up needing to grid some of the strut gussets to get max wheel clearance. Has anyone done this? And, if so, what bolts did you use?

I am not planning to ever do coil overs with the magna ride already on my car. I would be looking to keep stock ride height as much as possible. With that said, any other thoughts?

Originally Posted by DaveC113

I had a friend install my Vorshlag camber plates and then do an alignment for me. He said the front end dropped 1/4" or so.

I actually like the increased NVH, steering feel is better. Similar effect to installing the GMPP ZLE rear cradle bushings. More NVH but better road feel.

Well increasing negative camber definitely will have a lowering effect vs having the tire more perpendicular to the ground no doubt. I also like the increased road feel as well to a certain extent.

[khorn45]

Careful on how far you go inboard, strut will start rubbing the body of the car if you go too far. I'm aldo -3.5 with a lot of room left if needed still with Vorshlag. Highly recommend but i know i went above 4 with neutral bottom adjusters and was rubbing the body of the car with the spring

[Kevin606]

I've personally used the Vorshlag camber plates on my track car and have been very happy with their performance and quietness. I haven't tried the Ground Control plates, but from what I've seen online, they're also a solid choice for improving suspension geometry and handling. Also, I found this site https://plainmath.net/ here you can find more information about how a car works, it helped me a lot. When you start to understand the physics and math behind the car you start to better understand what is better for it.