[fastball]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

The people who design it don't write the manual. Drive it hard.

DO NOT drive it hard.

It's your car you do whatever you want. But since you didn't make the car frankly your opinion means nothing.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

You mean the lawyers??? Yea they did a good job at designing the owners manual to protect their client.

Sure the manual goes through lawyers before final publishing. But the gist is written by engineers.

Fact.

Unless you personally know someone who works at the RenCen your opinion means nothing.

So go ahead and burn the f**k out of your brand new Camaro. Just don't blame GM if you have problems with it. Ever.

[nyrfan]

Originally Posted by fastball

Sure the manual goes through lawyers before final publishing. But the gist is written by engineers.

Fact.

Unless you personally know someone who works at the RenCen your opinion means nothing.

So go ahead and burn the f**k out of your brand new Camaro. Just don't blame GM if you have problems with it. Ever.

I broke both my gen 5 (V6 LLT and L99) in the same way, hard and fast and they both ran like beasts with not a drop of oil loss. So ya, I'll follow my way!


Fact!

Felix - Speeding in my SS!

[fastball]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

I broke both my gen 5 (V6 LLT and L99) in the same way, hard and fast and they both ran like beasts with not a drop of oil loss. So ya, I'll follow my way!


Fact!

Felix - Speeding in my SS!

That's fine, that's your personal experience.

How many miles do you have on it?

[nyrfan]

Originally Posted by fastball

That's fine, that's your personal experience.



How many miles do you have on it?

The v6 had 20k when traded, current SS has 11k.


Felix - Speeding in my SS!

[fastball]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

The v6 had 20k when traded, current SS has 11k.


Felix - Speeding in my SS!

The break in procedure manufacturers advise is for the best long term reliability.

If you're getting rid of your cars under the factory warranty then have at it.

Those like me intending to keep it 10 years and 150,000+ miles those first 1500 break in miles are the most important.

This shows everyone the gamble of buying a used sports car. Who knows if the first owner followed the break in procedure.

[LovePhenom]

Originally Posted by MAtRiX_757

Doesn't GM break in all motors themselves? I have seen them do this on How It's Made Dream cars for both the 5th gen and vettes. The manual is mainly talking about crate engines, I thought.

The engine plant you saw on "How It's Made", I work at. As part of the assembly process, the unfinished engine goes into a "cold test" meaning no fuel & it's ran to check for issues.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

I broke both my gen 5 (V6 LLT and L99) in the same way, hard and fast and they both ran like beasts with not a drop of oil loss. So ya, I'll follow my way!


Fact!

Felix - Speeding in my SS!

Yep.

I drove my 2010 as usual from day one. It made 435rwhp with headers and bolt ons. Had a catch can on it and hardly got any oil out of it.

Babying the car for too long and you miss the window of opportunity for the rings to seat properly.

Cars just driven as usual from day one will use less oil and make more power.

Heres an article about it...

http://www.ntnoa.org/enginebreakin.htm

Ive also witnessed this first hand with powersports (dirtbikes, quads, snowmobiles)
Im big into this stuff as well. Have bought new machines over the years that friends and acquaintances have bought the same or similar model etc. EVERY SINGLE TIME the person that babied the machine and followed break in per the manual had the pooch.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by fastball

DO NOT drive it hard.

It's your car you do whatever you want. But since you didn't make the car frankly your opinion means nothing.

yeah okay guy. Ask any engine builder how to properly break in an engine.

[brutusvk]

Ask three different builders, most likely get three different answers. Depends on the motor too.

[ericspt]

Beat the piss out of it

Every single car I've owned, drive it hard right off the lot. Some I've kept a year, some I've kept 80K miles.

The reason behind 'break in' was for hardening the metal in the engine. Before they used hardened metals, and this is from the 50's and 60's you heat cycled the engine to harden the metal.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

yeah okay guy. Ask any engine builder how to properly break in an engine.

Engine builders for race cars are a different breed from mass produced engineered motors for every day passenger cars.

GM engineers want the motor to be reliable for 200,000 miles and 10 years.

Engine builders don't care what happens when the race is over because the motor is torn down every time.

Huge difference in approach.

Now if you want to put a crate motor into your Camaro that's a different story.

But the factory 6.2 V8 is engineered to last year's, not hours.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by ericspt

Beat the piss out of it

Every single car I've owned, drive it hard right off the lot. Some I've kept a year, some I've kept 80K miles.

The reason behind 'break in' was for hardening the metal in the engine. Before they used hardened metals, and this is from the 50's and 60's you heat cycled the engine to harden the metal.

If it was simply "from the 50s and 60s" they wouldn't advise it....... You no longer have 3000 mile oil change recommendations right? Well that's from the 50s and 60s too, sooooo.....

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by fastball

Engine builders for race cars are a different breed from mass produced engineered motors for every day passenger cars.

GM engineers want the motor to be reliable for 200,000 miles and 10 years.

Engine builders don't care what happens when the race is over because the motor is torn down every time.

Huge difference in approach.

Now if you want to put a crate motor into your Camaro that's a different story.

But the factory 6.2 V8 is engineered to last year's, not hours.

I don't need it lasting 200,000 miles either. I bought a performance car, not a Civic. I want to seal the rings as best as possible.