[ULTRAZLS1]

missed your last question. If a guy wanted to waste his money putting in a clutch at stock or near stock power levels with a fraction of the gains compared to a stall I guess yes he just removed himself from being considered bolt on in my eyes...

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

$1,000 for swapping gears? Damn I had GPI witch is a Chevrolet dealer also do it and it sure wasn't that high. How or why do you say its a weak rear-end? I bought the car new in 2013 and now has 25K drag racing miles cutting 1.49 60fts and never had an issue. Out here (TX) $300 for a converter swap is a normal price done by Billy Ray Motorsports (witch has the record for the fastest 5th gen in the texas mile) Also it shouldn't matter the time/money/effort others put into their own cars. I hate hearing people who get whooped at the track buy a car making less power throw that card well you have more money, more parts, more gear in your car etc...... it's not their problem or money going into it so why worry about that?


Not getting into a pissing match just stating my opinion

The auto guys didn't have a problem. Most are advised even at bolt on levels the stock axles are on borrowed time with aggressive tire and hard launch with m6.

Gears alone are around 500-600 dollars. Average labor quote I got around here was 6-700. I was looking at around 1000 for axles. I was also advised to do a posi mod and rear end girdle... Another 500 or so can't remember. So around 2500 bucks. Then don't forget trailing arms, subframe bushings to help with wheel hop. It never ends lol. That was the reality for gen 5 m6 when I sold mine...
And like I said 300 for that stall swap is bargain basement...I'm jealous.

Btw... I only throw that card your talking about when the guy starts bragging I'm just "bolt on" and I smoked you. If in fact extensive gear, stall and suspension work was done. It's childish and misleading. Especially when they try to hide it or down play its importance. Which I'm not saying is something you would do just to be clear.

Not trying to get into a pissing match either man. We are both entitled to our own opinions and I respect that. Nice time with that 5th gen btw props

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Your opinion is fine and more popular than mine i won't argue.
I don't always choose to follow norms or popular opinion.

I was looking at well over 1000 dollars total price with parts to just switch gears on my 2010. Which still left it with a weak rear end and axles. Gears in my opinion were a big undertaking to do it right/ hold up to drag use. The term bolt on is misleading and why I take issue.

It's just annoying when guys talk about their cars as just a bolt on car and boast it's incredible performance for only being " bolt on"... It downplays the time/ money/ effort that was put into the car... In turn inflating its image. This is even further blown out of proportion to the uninformed person. I'm wondering how easy it will be to remove the tranny in the 2016? Bet it won't be 300 dollar child's play that the average person will pay at a performance shop...

Example...10 second bolt on mustang 5.0. Lot of the owners take it as meaning they can throw on a tire and do exhaust and tune and the car will run tens. I did some research... Just the tip of the ice burg for this to happen was 500 lbs weight reduction. Among a crap load of other small details people will overlook and simply call the car a "bolt on" performer. The work required deserves much more than this simple term in my opinion.

Basically what I'm getting at is the term " bolt on" is misleading and infers simplicity and little effort to some people.

Btw...300 labor for stall is bargain basement. The stalls themselves on top of that are about 1000 bucks. If the guy is good and did it right I wouldn't even do it myself if I could get it that cheap. I was a mechanic for ten years. The only tranny removal I did for 300 bucks was 700r4 on a Chevy truck lol. I charged around 500 on average (depends on car) and was cheaper than most people in my neck of the woods. I never tack on shop supplies or tax either... Like most places. I was Just a shade tree mechanic...

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This is so true. The problem is unless you are installing a supercharger, turbo, or nitrous it's considered a bolt on, and anything goes. These supposed bolt-ons can add up to thousands of dollars.


Then you have the "It's all Stock" guy who has a tune, hidden weight reduction, and DRs.

[IOMike]

Pretty sure a cam and heads bolt in too. Unless the lt-1 is different and it requires glue.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by IOMike

Pretty sure a cam and heads bolt in too. Unless the lt-1 is different and it requires glue.

Nope the cam slides in....lol

[Merc]

[Merc]

Originally Posted by 62nalide

Only 1 M6 in the 10s and 5 L99s in the 10s on motor, a stall and gears are classified as bolt on on 90% for the forums since its not touching the block. If things go well I think i can get a 6th gen close to the 10s with bolt-ons the fastest bolt-on 5th gens are @ 11.3-11.4s with removing the seats.

Don't forget us stick Guy's 1 at .60 and 2 at .70.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by attymf

Intake, exhaust, tune, tires, cam and gears in an A8 and you should have a car in the tens

Yeah...but how fast will it lap Laguna Seca with that set up?

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

5 years they have a gt that can perform. Nice.

As above welcome to almost 20 years ago.

The mustang edges out the camaro for a few years and now it's king of the road ?
Not sure why some got so comfortable with it. They couldn't even beat the ls1 for 15 years.

Things just went back to they way they have almost always been the past 22 years.no competition from us in 03-09 but the ls1 cars handle them easy.
Mustang gt back to its roots sucking hind tit compared to Chevys offering at this price range.... It's the reality.
Unless you think an extra 20 hp and 55 torque with similar weight won't be suckin that Chevy teet lol.

Thank you. It is always obvious who just got into the game when they have the perception that the Mustang is dominating. Sales- maybe. On the streets/at the track- they played catchup with our "prehistoric" pushrod LSx engines 8 YEARS after they even ceased production!
Im totally stoked for this new car. So all can be restored to the natural order of things.

[crysalis_01]

Genuinely curious: has anyone ever put together a side-by-side chart of '65-'15 to show which was faster, year to year? I've seen one for sales but not one with a performance metric. I'll edit and post what I'm talking about if I can find it.


Something like this but maybe with 1/4 Mile times...would it be more interesting if it were top performance model (manufacturers only, no 3rd party cars) or a middle trim only kind of thing? I suppose one of each would be cool to see too.

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Genuinely curious: has anyone ever put together a side-by-side chart of '65-'15 to show which was faster, year to year? I've seen one for sales but not one with a performance metric. I'll edit and post what I'm talking about if I can find it.


Something like this but maybe with 1/4 Mile times...would it be more interesting if it were top performance model (manufacturers only, no 3rd party cars) or a middle trim only kind of thing? I suppose one of each would be cool to see too.

Ive often wondered the same. This would be cool info.

[suzook]

I must be getting old, low to flat 12's with just a mild canned tune is fine with me. Lol.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Genuinely curious: has anyone ever put together a side-by-side chart of '65-'15 to show which was faster, year to year? I've seen one for sales but not one with a performance metric. I'll edit and post what I'm talking about if I can find it.


Something like this but maybe with 1/4 Mile times...would it be more interesting if it were top performance model (manufacturers only, no 3rd party cars) or a middle trim only kind of thing? I suppose one of each would be cool to see too.

I think you just gave me a project. I think it can be done with the '80-current. Might be harder to find comparisons than that. One problem is going to be times varying from sources. Might see what I can come up with based on this chart.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I think you just gave me a project. I think it can be done with the '80-current. Might be harder to find comparisons than that. One problem is going to be times varying from sources. Might see what I can come up with based on this chart.

I believe zeroto60times.com also has a lot of 1/4 times. And most have the sources of the data as well. At least they used to, last time I was there the site seems to have changed its layout.