[Number 3]

Originally Posted by DrkPhx

I agree. If I wanted a luxo-performance sedan, the last brand I would look at is Cadillac.. and I'm a GM guy. None of them appeal to me in the slightest bit.

This is too bad as they are definitely great cars.

Interiors, better than BMW, a bit behind Audi and well behind the C-class MB.

Handling, better than all, backed up by countless magazine reviews.

In the end, it's simply people believing the hype that they aren't as good as the Germans, when in fact they are. And we've had 2 ATSs now replaced by the XT4 SUV.

[AZCamaroFan]

Number 3 does the Mustang have room for your golf clubs?

[Risky Justice]

The C8 is going to be expensive to work on, and I can already tell you right now that the transmission won’t be reliable. Dual clutch autos are ****ing trash, and GM should know better than to put that in one of their cars. Outrageous fluid costs, dumb flush procedures, and they can’t reliably hold shit for power.

So yea, anyone that actually has to budget their money will steer clear of the C8. A lot of people can’t stand the poor visibility of the Camaro though, so some people will probably jump ship to other brands.

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by Number 3

This is too bad as they are definitely great cars.

Interiors, better than BMW, a bit behind Audi and well behind the C-class MB.

Handling, better than all, backed up by countless magazine reviews.

In the end, it's simply people believing the hype that they aren't as good as the Germans, when in fact they are. And we've had 2 ATSs now replaced by the XT4 SUV.

My sister has a ATS and she loves it. It's not a bad car; just ehhh for me. The back seat has no leg room and is cramped for 2 people. I do like the 2nd gen CTS-V a lot, but that's it for me. Of the 3 German makes it would be an Audi or MB because of the interior. Truth be told my next DD will probably be another perf SUV or crossover. If GM did a true performance SUV I would consider it.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sadly, there is a ring of reality to this.

I'm hoping that the "pause" (let's be hopeful) is simply to look at the mission of the Camaro in the new world order. A stylish coupe that GM admitted compromised many useful attributes for performance is not selling. BUT!!!! can a better coupe win in the long run?

I'm hoping that what I posted back in 2015ish time frame can still come true.

That was, build a great coupe first and then make it a Camaro. As I've stated to much hatred (not sure why) GM gave us the greatest possible Camaro and worried very little about how good a coupe it was. Performance won every single trade off. And for those of you that own one, you experience this every day. But to WIN, and that means the L4 and V6 models, you need to be desirable to a broader audience. So many people on this site forgive visibility, a trunk that won't hold a golf bag with a modern 45" driver and a back seat that many are over joyed will handle their children. Why? Because the performance bargain of the Gen6 is beyond compare. Yes, it's that good. How many posts have you read that have Camaro fans GIDDY over the fact that the Camaro runs with a Corvette? A lot.

I'm hopeful that the greatness of the C8 Corvette leads to a truly dominant Gen7 Camaro. Hopeful. Wishing.

As I always say, time will tell.

What are your thoughts on the Kia Stinger? I see a sharp looking sports sedan that checks all the practicality boxes with 365 HP, 0-60 in 4.4 sec, 1/4 in 12.9 sec.

Kia sold only 16.806 units in 2018 and are down 20% so far in 2019 (like the Mustang).

I’d be all in for a CTS sized Chevy coupe with a LT2. I fear a bigger shift has happened in the market and the public doesn't care.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-test-review/

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Risky Justice

The C8 is going to be expensive to work on, and I can already tell you right now that the transmission won’t be reliable. Dual clutch autos are ****ing trash, and GM should know better than to put that in one of their cars. Outrageous fluid costs, dumb flush procedures, and they can’t reliably hold shit for power.

So yea, anyone that actually has to budget their money will steer clear of the C8. A lot of people can’t stand the poor visibility of the Camaro though, so some people will probably jump ship to other brands.

You sound like one of my Corvette buddies , the truth is that this may be a C8 but its also a ME1 . This Corvette is putting a lot of fear in people which was kinda surprising to me but i guess it makes sense . He is actually looking at a new C7 Z06 this week, with almost $20k off i can't blame him .

[oldman]

I've been at the traction limit of my M6 for a long while now. To see a new base model C8 do 0-60 in under 3.0 well um it kind of says if you engine ain't in back and / or you don't want to run OO wear DR on a daily basis, you are just going to be slapped around at the next stop light throw down.

I'm embarrassed to say, the C8 with the above performance number on the base LT2 engine is the end of me ever wanting or building anything else. I'll probably keep my camaro for a while, maybe a long while (M6 and all), but I'm looking now at keeping it more streetable due to the traction limit of the tire and realizing the average high paid Austin secretary (ahm Admin Assistant) in high heels will just LAY WASTE to my full built Camaro on normal street rubber.... that reality kind of hurts, plus it is a great looking car... even more hurtful.


I think for sure the C8 cuts into a lot of sales. I was looking at a Audi RS3, low miles second hand as my daily, keep my Camaro as my fun car, but heck, I can get a C8 with 100,000 extended warranty for about the same combined price and drive that all the time fun, work, go down to Lowes....

[The_DarkKnight]

C7s are gonna get sold at blow out prices, Porsche PDK seems to be able to handle more than 700hp reliably, the C8 is a homerun, it will kill some versions of the camaro without a price adjustment

[undy]

Kerbecks is already peeling of $9K+ off all C7s, along with all other discounts. You can by a new base C7 coupe from them for $44K.

[TJay74]

Originally Posted by oldman

I've been at the traction limit of my M6 for a long while now. To see a new base model C8 do 0-60 in under 3.0 well um it kind of says if you engine ain't in back and / or you don't want to run OO wear DR on a daily basis, you are just going to be slapped around at the next stop light throw down.

I'm embarrassed to say, the C8 with the above performance number on the base LT2 engine is the end of me ever wanting or building anything else. I'll probably keep my camaro for a while, maybe a long while (M6 and all), but I'm looking now at keeping it more streetable due to the traction limit of the tire and realizing the average high paid Austin secretary (ahm Admin Assistant) in high heels will just LAY WASTE to my full built Camaro on normal street rubber.... that reality kind of hurts, plus it is a great looking car... even more hurtful.


I think for sure the C8 cuts into a lot of sales. I was looking at a Audi RS3, low miles second hand as my daily, keep my Camaro as my fun car, but heck, I can get a C8 with 100,000 extended warranty for about the same combined price and drive that all the time fun, work, go down to Lowes....

The only bad is the C8 wont be AWD as of now. I love our SQ5, more so since it is modded and flat out hauls the groceries. The TTRS, or RS3, or a RS5 are on the 3 year plan once it comes time to replace the SQ5 unless the RSQ5 comes over to the USA.

You cant beat what those Audi's put out. The TTRS and the RS3 both can put down over 600hp with very minimal mods.

[Road_Warrior85]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

As long as we are talking future state . . .


Lets not fool ourselves. Nobody wants a CT4/5. Nobody wants an ATS now.
Except for the V which they managed to overprice and under market (just like the Camaro). On another forum it was said that Caddy has sold about 5K ATSVs of all types since the beginning.



My crystal ball says alpha2 cars will be very short-lived. Sad. Mary is all in on EVs.

I wanted the ATSV pretty bad.... but definitely not at that price. sadly nobody else did either, and the used market was all but nonexistent for a stick shift 4 door

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by undy

Kerbecks is already peeling of $9K+ off all C7s, along with all other discounts. You can by a new base C7 coupe from them for $44K.

Yeah they have huge discounts most a good bit over $9k , i live 2 hours away and most Corvettes in my area are bought there . I may be going there Friday to see the C8 with a friend , the C8s will be there Friday and Saturday this week.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by hotlap

What are your thoughts on the Kia Stinger? I see a sharp looking sports sedan that checks all the practicality boxes with 365 HP, 0-60 in 4.4 sec, 1/4 in 12.9 sec.

Kia sold only 16.806 units in 2018 and are down 20% so far in 2019 (like the Mustang).

I’d be all in for a CTS sized Chevy coupe with a LT2. I fear a bigger shift has happened in the market and the public doesn't care.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-test-review/

I went and test drove a Stinger when they first came out. Very solid offering. If they weren’t stuck on sticker price I might have one.

In retrospect I still miss my SS sedan. It was just old and I wanted something different. The Stinger was one of the first cars I considered. Of course now they are 10 Grand off. Lol.

Hyundai/Kia went all out on this car and it showed. In the end paying $50k for a Kia doesn’t work. Probably why the V8 powered AWD K900 sold less than 1000 units.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Number 3

I went and test drove a Stinger when they first came out. Very solid offering. If they weren’t stuck on sticker price I might have one.

In retrospect I still miss my SS sedan. It was just old and I wanted something different. The Stinger was one of the first cars I considered. Of course now they are 10 Grand off. Lol.

Hyundai/Kia went all out on this car and it showed. In the end paying $50k for a Kia doesn’t work. Probably why the V8 powered AWD K900 sold less than 1000 units.

The Kia Stinger sold 16.806 units in 2018 and is down 20% for 2019 despite it’s practicality.

When I realized I needed to get rid of my 2016 SS due to the shuddering A8, I also looked at the Kia Stinger (and the Audi A5). I bought another 2SS (with M6) because performance mattered more to me.