07-28-2019, 12:39 PM | #225 | |
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I agree though, they are not making the newer vehicles any easier to work on for sure. I think from the manufacture aspect they are trying to push maintenance items to the dealership. My case in point, I had a bad HPFP on my 17 Camaro SS. GM warranty on their parts is or was 12m / 12k miles. Now it shows to be 24m / 24k miles. Dealer was more than happy to warranty it out and has told me several times it is covered. Only bad thing is GM doesnt handle the warranty process themselves anymore, they farmed it out to a 3rd party company to give the Yes or No via a chat box system, no over the phone option at all. With no reason at all they are just saying no and was trying to insist that if you want the warranty it has to be installed by the dealer. Bunch of crap I tell ya....
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07-28-2019, 01:07 PM | #227 | |
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07-28-2019, 03:07 PM | #228 | |
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If the 7th Gen is on hiatus and doesn't come back until 2026 or later, then there is no reason to be surprised if it comes with a twin turbo 6 cyl for the SS putting out 500 or so, and then only the ZL1 or "Z/28" keep the 8 cyl. We know they cant keep jumping in HP and MPG numbers at the same time. They're gonna have to slow/stall the HP growth and build on the MPG numbers. Then the 8th gen will probably be the transition to electric
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07-28-2019, 03:48 PM | #229 |
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Yep, then I'll let you take out the 110,000 mile midwest salt plugs that the last two mechanics did not change... let me know if you get ONE out in an hour... you get, Lets see, drive car in, assuming you have a shop, put car on lift take off passenger side tire, then look for a bunch of special stuff, I'm already at 1/2 an hour maybe more...Ain't got a single plug off. Now if I did not have a shop, then, um take the few plugs off from the top, hope engine is not too hot, jack car up, block it, get tools, get creeper, woops forgot to take off the tire... where the heck is the lub key... OK gout that off, shiznett the boot is like welded to the plug, heck now it cracked, I gotta pull that wire out of the harness as it dips between the valve cover and AC. Need to run down to Napa, heck I ain't a single plug off on the passenger side, might as stop at chicken joint get some energy. I knew it, the plug was never changed and it is frozen time to must my offset wrench out the I welded special for this job, kind of neat to see it taking a 15 degree flex as I put the pry on it before the rusted in plug cracks loose. OK got that one off. man that sucked, I'm bleeding ....only thee more on this side. let me undo the clip that holds the wires together... figures it just falls apart, better rig something up or the wires will just drop onto the ehaust manifold... hope I don't forget. Now where was I? Oh here is the guy to pickup his ride complaining that some hot chick is going to leave him cause his ride ain't done. I think I'll just not change the rest of the plugs at least I got the dead one....
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07-28-2019, 04:01 PM | #230 | |
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The average customer is like 2.5 years, so these plugs are 105 k miles... it will be maybe 3 customers down the line... Who knows how much room, the car looks pretty wide to me. It maybe complete candy from under the car... you know GM has to perform warranty work also? the Fiero needed the engine dropped to change plugs on the passenger compartment side with the V6,
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07-28-2019, 04:14 PM | #231 |
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on the factory LT2 Hot package, if GM does it will have to be 49 state smog legal.. so that means an AFM cam which is going to bring power down to 545 HP.. for cam and heads and GM tune..
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07-29-2019, 09:49 AM | #232 |
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Why the C8 will help the Camaro survive and thrive
This is an interesting read on why more Corvette buyers may giving the front-engine, 6-speed Camaro (especially with the 1LE package) another look:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/4-re...eNewsMTArticle |
07-29-2019, 09:54 AM | #233 |
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that's what i'm saying.
the notion that 'the camaro is driving buyers to challenger and mustang because it's a little pricey, but the buyers will plunk down another 20k for the Stingray !' is nonsense. and besides, they may say the Stingray is 60k, but i'm betting you check one or two options on it and you're at 65k. There aren't $50 dollar options on cars anymore, and certainly not the Corvette.
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07-29-2019, 09:58 AM | #234 |
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Sort of sad to say, I had a 2020 2SS vert on order and this is it's build week. Several weeks ago I called my dealer and had my order and deposit shifted to this... I got it for MSRP and should have it in an April time frame.
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07-29-2019, 10:07 AM | #235 | |
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07-29-2019, 11:01 AM | #236 |
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I don't doubt that the Camaro will survive, the question is the top end Camaro buyer sacrificing things to get a bottom end Vette.
2ss is 44.5K before other options, 1LE is 50K, the Zl1 is 65.5. I'll leave it to someone else to find a OK optioned version, but say the base Vette is 58K. I can see people that are NOT into Road Racing or AutoX going to the base Vette and sacrificing the sun roof, the heated seats, the Hud et all. It is not just the Camaro, I can see the fully optioned Challengers, Mustangs and for sure Shelbys all going to a mid-engine Vette. For the very top buyers: Hellcats, 500, Zl1, Zl1-1LE, I can see them going to the next Z06 C8. IMO there is no doubt that the C8 will cut into high end pony car sales and IMO their days are numbered. Conversely, I do see people not swinging for a C8, and saying I'll take a full optioned Camaro. To my mind these are not performance people, call them all arounders. I would definitely take a base C8 over a 2ss full optioned, SS-1le or Zl1. I would definitely take a C8 with Z51 over a Zl1 Camaro. I would definitely take a C8 base over my performance built SS. Cause the Vette will destroy my car in a street fight....
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07-29-2019, 11:06 AM | #237 |
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The new Stingray might be a great value, but at the end of the day, it's still a Stingray. There will be 40,000 other copies of it floating around. I can get a ZL1 for probably a beter price and it will be much more "rare" than that Stingray.
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Then there are people like me. Id rather have a low end Corvette then a top end Mustang/Camaro/Challenger |
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