[Rodan]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I still don't understand why some don't count what they call hero runs.

It's not really that... the Mustang guys like to compare the Mustang 'hero' runs to the Camaro magazine times.

As long as you compare apples to apples, it's all good.

My only complaint about the 10.6 run is that it was a pre-production car, although it looks like the production cars will probably be just as fast. It's still dishonest, IMHO, that they (meaning Evan Smith) purposely hide that kind of stuff.

[jvandy50]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

I still don't understand why some don't count what they call hero runs. They would rather go with the middle of the road times. Those middle of the road times almost always have some less than optimal condition that landed that time there, whether it is a high elevation, hot air, slick track, or improper car setup/driving. You know the best times have all of that nearly perfect, so the times better reflect each car's potential, therefore giving a better comparison.

I've not seen what kind of DA the 10.6 GT500 had, but I highly doubt it was -, so I expect to see some 10.4s or even better from it as the temps continue to drop.

Don’t quote me on this, but I’m almost positive is was 970ish DA. And you’re right, it’ll dip down even farther.

[Stealth7]

Well, one positive for Mustang is that it comes with a much larger displacement supercharger than the ZL1. I love my '18 A10 ZL1 but understood that I would really need to change the supercharger if I wanted substantially more power. This will probably not be required with the Shelby GT 500. The ZL1 A10 loaded up is around $70,000 and a nicely equipped GT500 is around $84,000 so that is really the Delta. The one thing that is really stopping me on the Mustang is the interior is horrendous and the rear seats – if it is even possible – appear to be far less usable than those in the ZL1.

[gtfoxy]

I thought this was largely debunked as they really can’t hook except on a really prepped track. This, unlike several comparisons I have seen said the Camaro, on a typical surface, hooks better.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by Revalot

The performance world is on fire ! It's great for the market, And maybe a LT5 will come down the pipe line. Or a Z06 with 750+ Then a ZR1, But I'm good with my car.

If anything it's dying. Musclecars are going extinct, everything is going electric. Updated ZL1 won't happen

[Infamus]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

If anything it's dying. Musclecars are going extinct, everything is going electric. Updated ZL1 won't happen

you may have a point...

the HP wars are super cool but what is on the horizon as fuel cost continue to rise?

In my area fuel has gone up 20 cents per gallon since Jan... and in some places locally it is 30+ cents since Jan for 93.

[LT4Greg]

Gasoline will keep going up until people start bitching and griping to the government and elected officials/leaders. And I really don’t think that will do any good because of the new agenda!

[semif18]

I was actually excited about the GT500......then saw it in person. Not a huge fan. In my opinion the GT350R looks meaner/more aggressive. They were parked right next to each other and it was no contest. I would have taken the 350R without a thought.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Stealth7

Well, one positive for Mustang is that it comes with a much larger displacement supercharger than the ZL1. I love my '18 A10 ZL1 but understood that I would really need to change the supercharger if I wanted substantially more power. This will probably not be required with the Shelby GT 500. The ZL1 A10 loaded up is around $70,000 and a nicely equipped GT500 is around $84,000 so that is really the Delta. The one thing that is really stopping me on the Mustang is the interior is horrendous and the rear seats – if it is even possible – appear to be far less usable than those in the ZL1.

This is a good point. the Eaton 1740 in the ZL1 spins at ~20k rpm at the LT4's 6500 rpm redline. I don't know what the Eaton 2.7 liter in the GT500 is spinning at at its (higher 7500 rpm) redline, but being 55% larger volume, probably slower, and there's a lot more potential there, stock for stock. GM had a target hp and was able to hit it with the small, fast spinning blower. Which has its advantages (more torque, lighter/more compact).

$84k for a base GT500 (msrp) w/ options seems high, though. A GT500 with the tech. package, rapid red, and white vinyl stripes comes to $78,490 (how I would build it if I was ordering one). I don't see where you get to $84k given the limited package options without some type of carbon wheel option on the base. A similarly equipped ZL1 is around $69k (i.e., the msrp for my ZL1). However, with ADM for the GT500, obviously that ~10k Delta in price grows. I ordered just in time (Dec. '20) and was able to negotiate a dealer discount + $2k worth of incentives, further separating the two cars in price, making my decision between the two even easier (plus the local Ford dealer wasn't allowing test drives in their base GT500 last fall). I agree the GT500 interior wasn't as nice as the ZL1, it didn't even feel as nice as my 2018 GT Premium, honestly. And the Recaros weren't that comfortable to me and weren't heated/cooled like the ZL1 Recaros.

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

I thought this was largely debunked as they really can’t hook except on a really prepped track. This, unlike several comparisons I have seen said the Camaro, on a typical surface, hooks better.

A contributing factor to the ZL1 hooking better is likely due to better weight distribution + lighter weight compared to the GT500 (56/44 and 4170 lbs base GT500 vs 54/46 and 3925 lbs for A10 ZL1). That's also one reason why the Hellcats can't hook worth beans (57/43 distribution and 4500+ lbs).