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dgreenberg · 10-01-2017, 11:53 PM

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I can't run PTM on my R888Rs either - in Auto X it was really bad how early PTM 4 would kick in. 5 didn't give me the gas I needed on exit either - didn't have the same problem with the Trofeos.. I've been autoxing and tracking the R888Rs with everything off.

Side note - on Camaro 6 I saw a thread about the front's being corded BAD after 5 days - owner was suggesting that something was defective with the tire but 5 days with a lot of camber isn't unreasonable if you're pushing the car. May want to watch that thread before you buy.

5 track days?! That seems like a good life!

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frenchsquared · 10-02-2017, 09:49 AM

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5 track days?! That seems like a good life!

I get 4 days out of trofeo's with rotating them. I can cord the fronts in 2 days if I don't watch them closely. Went through 3 sets this year. 5 hard days is good if he drives like I do. Im trying to find a tire that will last 8 days in the $1500 a set range.

s.hammer · 10-02-2017, 03:58 PM

The Nittos will last about twice as long as the Trofeos, in my experience. If you watch the prices over the winter they do vary, was able to get 325s for 289.00 per tire and 305s for 250ish per tire right before spring time. But you are sacrificing some traction on the rears, I actually prefer them to Trofeos on the fronts.

kramard · 10-02-2017, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frenchsquared

I get 4 days out of trofeo's with rotating them. I can cord the fronts in 2 days if I don't watch them closely. Went through 3 sets this year. 5 hard days is good if he drives like I do. Im trying to find a tire that will last 8 days in the $1500 a set range.

So far I'm happy with the R888R - they appear to wear ok and they are only ~3/4 a second off of the Trofeos on a 1:34 track. However they don't offer the same slip angle - I'm pulling similar lat gs but throttle application needs to be more sensitive and you don't get that same "hooked up" feeling you get on the trofeos - the R888Rs break traction suddenly but it's a very controllable slide. For the 295s I was in it 1180 shipped if i recall correctly. I'd probably do 295s up front, 305 in the rear for a budget tire setup to get a little more understeer.

I got 215 minutes on mine (some of it sliding the rear for fun) and still have 2 - 3mm of tread depth. Most folks say you'll heat cycle them before they fail... I am looking to test that theory - hoping for 6 to 8 track days.

dgreenberg · 10-02-2017, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by frenchsquared

I get 4 days out of trofeo's with rotating them. I can cord the fronts in 2 days if I don't watch them closely. Went through 3 sets this year. 5 hard days is good if he drives like I do. Im trying to find a tire that will last 8 days in the $1500 a set range.

Pipe dream right there! Haha. If you’re not concerned about how much $$$ try some Pirelli slicks. Sure they might be $600 per but double the life might be worth the extra expense.

295/680/19 is slightly taller but pretty much equal tread width. Depending on what compound you might be able to get 25-30 heat cycles on them. So at 3-4 sessions per track day you’re at 6-8 track days.

Hell I’ve even tried used Pirelli slicks for $150 a piece with only a few heat cycles and they worked great.

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frenchsquared · 10-03-2017, 09:29 AM

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Pipe dream right there! Haha. If you’re not concerned about how much $$$ try some Pirelli slicks. Sure they might be $600 per but double the life might be worth the extra expense.

Hell I’ve even tried used Pirelli slicks for $150 a piece with only a few heat cycles and they worked great.

I assume you meant pipe dream to the op and not me. Mine isn't a dream I have pretty sound logic listed out below.

As for 8 days... I think RE11's will last 8 days and NTO1's might last 6 days. There are lots of hard tires that will last 8 days you just have to slow down. I didn't say I wanted 8 days at the same speeds. I would rather do 8 track days a year at 5 seconds slower and 6 days on hoosiers then only 8 days on Trofeo's.

I have no issues getting 4 days out of Trofeos running at the top of the pack. Left front goes to right front after first day. Then both fronts go to rear after second day. Left front goes to right front after 3rd day. End of 4th day they are all about done. But I have gotten an extra day out of them a few times. I then take the best 3 to use as a scrub set. That gives me 6 old tires after two new sets. With those 6 I can get at least two more days and some times as many as 4 additional days assuming a few of those are early and late season when its colder out.

When you add that up I can get 11 days out of two sets of Trofeos. With the same logic I think I can get 16 days out of two sets of RE11's. I will know for sure next year.

Those Pirelli's are amazing. I ran them on the rear of my C5. They lasted forever. I got them for $50 a tire from a Corvette shop. They were scrubs from some race team. Issue is they only had one size and they wont fit my Z28. I have thought about building a car that could run those all the way around. Getting those tires at $50 each makes it worth spending a nice amount on a car to run them.

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-03-2017, 09:50 AM

The 3R take less time to come up to temps ( 2 laps and there good to go), dont last any longer then the Trofeos IMO.

kramard · 10-03-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

The 3R take less time to come up to temps ( 2 laps and there good to go), dont last any longer then the Trofeos IMO.

Same grip / feeling though?

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 10-03-2017, 12:42 PM

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Same grip / feeling though?

To me they grip the same, may be 5% more grip, i think for the price they came out at its a better tire, run the 305 on the Z/28.

aris · 11-08-2017, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

To me they grip the same, may be 5% more grip, i think for the price they came out at its a better tire, run the 305 on the Z/28.

305 square I assume?

total package · 11-21-2018, 06:52 PM

Anyone have pictures of these tires on a Z/28?

kramard · 11-21-2018, 09:30 PM

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Anyone have pictures of these tires on a Z/28?

Here you go - 305 all square. For me they're faster then Trofeos because they tolerate early throttle a lot better. ~2 seconds a lap faster (but was also a 85 vs 68 degrees)

MonroeZ28 · 11-22-2018, 07:23 PM

Has anyone tried 325s on all 4 corners in the 3Rs on stock rims? 325 square setup works good in Bridgstones so I’m curious if 3Rs would work as well.

Supercup · 11-23-2018, 10:58 AM

I have not - I have them 305 all square as well. Have about 1,000 miles on them. Do warm up quicker that Trofeo, but they don't inspire as much confidence for me, just seem to be a bit looser on grip. No lap time comparisons, just feel, so may all be in my head! Don't get me wrong though, they have uber grip and if you can live with this type of tire, like we can in S.Cal - they offer a good balance in comfort and performance.

But value wise they are an outstanding performance to value - the Trofeo, not so much.

For street only I would go with Michelin PS4 for sure.

11-22-2018, 07:23 PM	#27
MonroeZ28 Drives: 15 z28 white Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Orange County NY Posts: 174	3R 325 square setup Has anyone tried 325s on all 4 corners in the 3Rs on stock rims? 325 square setup works good in Bridgstones so I’m curious if 3Rs would work as well.

10-02-2017, 03:58 PM	#17
s.hammer Drives: 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 245	The Nittos will last about twice as long as the Trofeos, in my experience. If you watch the prices over the winter they do vary, was able to get 325s for 289.00 per tire and 305s for 250ish per tire right before spring time. But you are sacrificing some traction on the rears, I actually prefer them to Trofeos on the fronts.

10-03-2017, 09:50 AM	#21
2SSRS@Gen5diy Drives: 2014 Z/28 #82+#192, 18ZLE 66Nova Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: By the lake in AZ Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	The 3R take less time to come up to temps ( 2 laps and there good to go), dont last any longer then the Trofeos IMO.

11-21-2018, 06:52 PM	#25
total package Drives: 2014 GMC All Terrain, 2015 Z/28 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Wautoma Wi Posts: 52	Anyone have pictures of these tires on a Z/28?

11-23-2018, 10:58 AM	#28
Supercup Life Is Short Enjoy It! Drives: Original Owner 15 Z/28 #934 Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: S. Cal Posts: 891	I have not - I have them 305 all square as well. Have about 1,000 miles on them. Do warm up quicker that Trofeo, but they don't inspire as much confidence for me, just seem to be a bit looser on grip. No lap time comparisons, just feel, so may all be in my head! Don't get me wrong though, they have uber grip and if you can live with this type of tire, like we can in S.Cal - they offer a good balance in comfort and performance. But value wise they are an outstanding performance to value - the Trofeo, not so much. For street only I would go with Michelin PS4 for sure.