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Old 05-30-2016, 04:42 PM   #3445
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They should have had a Cruze SS with the 2.0 turbo in the plans when they showed the new 5 door. It would immediately be able to tap into a hot hatch marketplace where they have had no precence in a while that could have some sales volume. If they decide to forgo that and shoot for a CLA AMG beater I don't doubt that they could as evidenced by the capabilities souped ATS & CTS's. Unfortunately I think it will end up being a player in a very niche market where the name will mean as much as the actual performance and end up sitting on the lots with the other Cadillacs not making a dent in sales.
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Old 05-30-2016, 05:43 PM   #3446
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Alright, but what about this one for the 2016 Monte Carlo Hybrid?

http://www.newcarreleasedates.com/20...id-monte-carlo





They also have info about the new Trans Am, GTO, Iroc-Z, Nova, Coronet, GTX, Duster, and Superbird. Either the person running that website is very gullible, or enjoys making up fictional stories for fan renderings of cars.
It's all about hits and site traffic probably.

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They should have had a Cruze SS with the 2.0 turbo in the plans when they showed the new 5 door. It would immediately be able to tap into a hot hatch marketplace where they have had no precence in a while that could have some sales volume. If they decide to forgo that and shoot for a CLA AMG beater I don't doubt that they could as evidenced by the capabilities souped ATS & CTS's. Unfortunately I think it will end up being a player in a very niche market where the name will mean as much as the actual performance and end up sitting on the lots with the other Cadillacs not making a dent in sales.
You're looking at it wrong. There most likely will be a V-series M/AMG killer but the point of any D2XX Cadillac program would be the volume standard model. Every luxury brand is doing this.

Personally I think the whole concept of a volume entry level model cheapens the brand, but the CLA/2-series have undoubtedly been successful sales wise.
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Old 05-30-2016, 06:01 PM   #3447
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BMW & Mercedes can get away with a low cost entry model as some people will by it just for the badge. GM and ford have too many past disasters to try that again. Cimmaron and Versailles anyone?
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Old 05-30-2016, 07:23 PM   #3448
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Alright, but what about this one for the 2016 Monte Carlo Hybrid?

http://www.newcarreleasedates.com/20...id-monte-carlo





They also have info about the new Trans Am, GTO, Iroc-Z, Nova, Coronet, GTX, Duster, and Superbird. Either the person running that website is very gullible, or enjoys making up fictional stories for fan renderings of cars.
A bunch of BS to stir up people that believe everything they read on the internet is true.
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:20 PM   #3449
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Fenwick, I know what you are saying and I believe that they will make a really nice mini-caddy. But as Royal Tiger said the other luxury brands are making it work because there are people that would buy a Yugo if it had a Mercedes or BMW badge on it. Cadillac does not have the cache valve of the other luxury marquees and hasn't for a long time. Car magazines talk about how good the ATS and CTS are and how is that translating in sales numbers? Cadillac has a brand image problem and I'm not entirely sure it is fixable. I hope I'm wrong but it hasn't seemed like they are trending up in their market even with some of the good products they've put out. That's why I would rather see the resources applied in this case to a product and a market share that GM still is competitive in. I'm sure that is probably an overly simple way of looking at it but that's the way it looks in consumer land.
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:21 PM   #3450
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Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, have you seen the new Chevelle that's coming out? Or the new Trans Am as if GM is building it. People take everything as gospel these days.
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Old 05-30-2016, 08:32 PM   #3451
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BMW & Mercedes can get away with a low cost entry model as some people will by it just for the badge. GM and ford have too many past disasters to try that again. Cimmaron and Versailles anyone?
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Fenwick, I know what you are saying and I believe that they will make a really nice mini-caddy. But as Royal Tiger said the other luxury brands are making it work because there are people that would buy a Yugo if it had a Mercedes or BMW badge on it. Cadillac does not have the cache valve of the other luxury marquees and hasn't for a long time. Car magazines talk about how good the ATS and CTS are and how is that translating in sales numbers? Cadillac has a brand image problem and I'm not entirely sure it is fixable. I hope I'm wrong but it hasn't seemed like they are trending up in their market even with some of the good products they've put out. That's why I would rather see the resources applied in this case to a product and a market share that GM still is competitive in. I'm sure that is probably an overly simple way of looking at it but that's the way it looks in consumer land.
Cadillac ATPs are also higher than the rest of the luxury segment right now.

I expect Cadillac to return to the formula that worked for them in the past. There's a reason ATS and CTS will not have direct replacements.
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Old 05-30-2016, 09:18 PM   #3452
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Cadillac ATPs are also higher than the rest of the luxury segment right now.

I expect Cadillac to return to the formula that worked for them in the past. There's a reason ATS and CTS will not have direct replacements.
I believe the new nomenclature will hurt more than it'll help.
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Old 05-31-2016, 12:05 AM   #3453
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Chevy shoukd build an Impala In a 2dr or 4dr with a V8, now that I would buy in a heart beat !
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Old 05-31-2016, 12:47 AM   #3454
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:15 AM   #3455
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Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, have you seen the new Chevelle that's coming out? Or the new Trans Am as if GM is building it. People take everything as gospel these days.
My buddy is the same way, I've gotten to the point where I just play dumb lol there are a few things that pop up on Facebook that are obviously websites just trying to get hits so they'll say that these cars are coming out soon.

Speaking of this, what's the deal with this whole Bronco thing? Is that actually coming out or is that just hot air?
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:41 AM   #3456
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My buddy is the same way, I've gotten to the point where I just play dumb lol there are a few things that pop up on Facebook that are obviously websites just trying to get hits so they'll say that these cars are coming out soon.

Speaking of this, what's the deal with this whole Bronco thing? Is that actually coming out or is that just hot air?
I think the Bronco thing came out during the recent round of negotiations between Ford & the UAW. But I don't think Ford has made any public announcement about what its going to be like or when it will be built.
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Old 05-31-2016, 08:51 AM   #3457
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I love Caddy's, and hope they do well. I just get bad vibes about having one list at $24,995. If you are a "premium" brand, then you need to stay at that level. I'm sure Escalade sales are carrying the division; for now.
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Old 05-31-2016, 10:10 AM   #3458
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I think the Bronco thing came out during the recent round of negotiations between Ford & the UAW. But I don't think Ford has made any public announcement about what its going to be like or when it will be built.
Yeah it was in the release of the UAW contract details. Ranger in 2019, Bronco in 2020 and an "upgrade" to the 5.2 Voodoo lines.
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