Camaro Q2 Sales: 13,588 (down 36%) - Page 6

gpskinzhut · 07-03-2018, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSS50

Here are some recent spots from Camaro's competitors:

2019 Ford Bullitt 50th:

Dodge Challenger / Charger pre-Super Bowl spot

I don't see any real people or JD Power awards. Those suck. /s

90503 · 07-03-2018, 04:23 PM

Not an ad, but I thought I'd just leave this here for our Ford friends...enjoy!

CamaroSS50 · 07-03-2018, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JhonnyGTR

First of all: the Design in terms of look is Subjetive,
You shouldn't say that one is inferior because You prefer the look of the other one.

Second: The Dodge Challenger and Camaro have different missions... The first One has the mission of be a straight line machine, the other one has de mission of be a track toy. And both are seriously good in their own mission.

Sorry I should have been clearer.

Design, meaning its underpinnings. Its tech. It has gone unchanged since it was re-introduced in 2008.

Your second point, well, it has to focus on what it is limited to, as FIAT is not investing in new platforms for the Challenger, which has not been updated since 2005.

But Challenger is in the consideration set of both Mustang & Camaro purchasers, even to a lesser degree the Charger.

So lets discuss the "mission"

As it stands, Mustang leads the pack (including reliability per J.D. Power with a 4 out of 5 (Camaro is 3 out of 5)).

Challenger leads the pack in acceleration

Camaro comes up dead last in interior quality & cargo space.

Camaro ties Mustang for ride & handling.

So, if we know what the "mission" is for Challenger, what is it for Camaro?

torqueaddict · 07-03-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Prodogs

But i'll take the quality ratings the Camaro scores well in over the quality ratings the Ford rates well in any day.

Exactly. The Camaro has it where it counts.

Bhobbs · 07-03-2018, 04:36 PM

The problem the Camaro has is it sacrifices a lot to get a performance advantage that only shows up at 9-10/10ths. The Mustang and Challenger are more DD friendly and offer more power for the money.

Also, the Mustang and Challenger have no glass ceilings to hold them down and no cars to compete with on the same lot.

JhonnyGTR · 07-03-2018, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The problem the Camaro has is it sacrifices a lot to get a performance advantage that only shows up at 9-10/10ths. The Mustang and Challenger are more DD friendly and offer more power for the money.

Also, the Mustang and Challenger have no glass ceilings to hold them down and no cars to compete with on the same lot.

Few words with Big statement

camaro5 · 07-03-2018, 04:54 PM

Might want to put some bigger windows and a usable trunk in the 7th gen.

Use some high-strength steel you cheap bean counters.

Headliners that don't fit, clunking sway bars, A8 shudder matic, crap quality control.

The lowest initial quality of all Chevrolets - Camaro.

Defective parts? Ship it!

I LOVE this car, but I'm not wasting my time going back and forth to the crap service dept (I used to be a Chevy tech, and the reality is much worse than you think)

First desired choice - 2019 Camaro SS

Current leader - 2019 Stinger GT. Kia and Hyundai are number 1 in initial quality.

No. All cars do not have multiple problems.

No. 2018 cars are not allowed to have bad pinion seals and front crank seals and clunking sway bars with a fogged up windshield..

Need Camaro, but not its headaches.

GM and Chevrolet have both stepped up quality, yet Lansing thinks Camaro doesn't deserve the same quality control effort.

Finally, 4500 Camaros a month is not so bad. They are toys by design, not DD's.

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HackSaw · 07-03-2018, 05:45 PM

Dont think this has been mentioned How much money is Dodge spending on tv commercials. Has to be millions and chevy doesnt advertise. Bottom line to the factory may be the same profit

BWAYNE2008 · 07-03-2018, 05:51 PM

I am in the market for a sport coupe. I am not brand loyal and have owned Mopar and Mustangs in the past. I came close to picking up a 5th gen camaro during the 20% off a few years ago. Then the 6th gen came out and although it had the performance I was disappointed by the looks. I will say the 2016-2018's look like a work of art compared to the 2019 refresh

Here's my main gripe. I went to two dealers over the weekend to look at 1LEs and both were charging dealer add on fees and and market adjustment fees and crap. Seriously, its not like its a GT 350 or Bullitt. The average buyer walks in and sees $47000 for and Camaro and walks away. Both dealers have multiple 1LEs that have been on the lots for awhile. Name: IMG_0714.jpg
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joeybsyc · 07-03-2018, 05:59 PM

Agreed. High price, zero advertising, poor build quailty, and very few advantages over the competition. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they're in trouble.

lt4camaro · 07-03-2018, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chazzz

Sadly, if this trend continues I for one doubt we will see a next gen Camaro in the future. Only hope at this point is if the 2019 refresh is the saving grace for a large boost in the numbers shown here.

I agree, sales suck, the refresh sucks, the Challenger is selling like a bitch like the Mustangs, yeah I would worry also. Lower the belt line, take a second look at the front and rear facia's, give it some room like the ATS coupe, make the base LT1 475 hp, the ZL1 755 hp, put the 10 speed auto in everything versus the A8, take out some content to be price competitive to the Mustang in all models. Yeah I know I am dreaming..

13vertss · 07-03-2018, 06:11 PM

What I really find funny, is a bunch of grown men complaining about sales and the other forum bragging about sales as if it effects them personally. Sales figures do nothing to any of us. We bought the car we like and that is all it should matter.

lt4camaro · 07-03-2018, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CamaroSS50

Sorry I should have been clearer.

Design, meaning its underpinnings. Its tech. It has gone unchanged since it was re-introduced in 2008.

Your second point, well, it has to focus on what it is limited to, as FIAT is not investing in new platforms for the Challenger, which has not been updated since 2005.

But Challenger is in the consideration set of both Mustang & Camaro purchasers, even to a lesser degree the Charger.

So lets discuss the "mission"

As it stands, Mustang leads the pack (including reliability per J.D. Power with a 4 out of 5 (Camaro is 3 out of 5)).

Challenger leads the pack in acceleration

Camaro comes up dead last in interior quality & cargo space.

Camaro ties Mustang for ride & handling.

So, if we know what the "mission" is for Challenger, what is it for Camaro?

The Camaro is a great car, but the Challenger should not be outselling the hell out of the Camaro for all these months. Camaro needs to change.

Trans damm · 07-03-2018, 06:24 PM

I skipped over most of the mumbo jumbo but I think the obvious is the car is just “ok” looking and getting worse for 19. The challenger keeps upping the anti with performance and marketing. It’s undeniably, any of my friends who aren’t car buffs always comment how the would love to get a challenger. When I bring up the camaro it’s always the same “meh” comment. There just not bringing the excitement in my opinion. Hard to be so excited over a “track monster” when most daily drive there car and enjoy more straight line acceleration and bragging rights. This all coming from a Z06 owner, so def not a troll, just my opservations and opinions.

07-03-2018, 04:36 PM	#75
Bhobbs Drives: 2015 SS 1LE Red Hot, 1970 Chevelle Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chino, CA Posts: 6,989	The problem the Camaro has is it sacrifices a lot to get a performance advantage that only shows up at 9-10/10ths. The Mustang and Challenger are more DD friendly and offer more power for the money. Also, the Mustang and Challenger have no glass ceilings to hold them down and no cars to compete with on the same lot. __________________

07-03-2018, 04:54 PM	#77
camaro5 Drives: X-15 Velocipede Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,637	Might want to put some bigger windows and a usable trunk in the 7th gen. Use some high-strength steel you cheap bean counters. Headliners that don't fit, clunking sway bars, A8 shudder matic, crap quality control. The lowest initial quality of all Chevrolets - Camaro. Defective parts? Ship it! I LOVE this car, but I'm not wasting my time going back and forth to the crap service dept (I used to be a Chevy tech, and the reality is much worse than you think) First desired choice - 2019 Camaro SS Current leader - 2019 Stinger GT. Kia and Hyundai are number 1 in initial quality. No. All cars do not have multiple problems. No. 2018 cars are not allowed to have bad pinion seals and front crank seals and clunking sway bars with a fogged up windshield.. Need Camaro, but not its headaches. GM and Chevrolet have both stepped up quality, yet Lansing thinks Camaro doesn't deserve the same quality control effort. Finally, 4500 Camaros a month is not so bad. They are toys by design, not DD's. l __________________ Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge General Motors ASEP, A.S. Automotive Technology, Telecommunications Specialist, CISCO Network Engineer STANDARD DISCLAIMER camaro5 is furnishing this information "as is". camaro5 does not provide any warranty of the information whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any warranty of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose or any warranty that the contents of the information will be error-free.

07-03-2018, 05:51 PM	#79
BWAYNE2008 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 64	I am in the market for a sport coupe. I am not brand loyal and have owned Mopar and Mustangs in the past. I came close to picking up a 5th gen camaro during the 20% off a few years ago. Then the 6th gen came out and although it had the performance I was disappointed by the looks. I will say the 2016-2018's look like a work of art compared to the 2019 refresh Here's my main gripe. I went to two dealers over the weekend to look at 1LEs and both were charging dealer add on fees and and market adjustment fees and crap. Seriously, its not like its a GT 350 or Bullitt. The average buyer walks in and sees $47000 for and Camaro and walks away. Both dealers have multiple 1LEs that have been on the lots for awhile. Attached Images

07-03-2018, 05:59 PM	#80
joeybsyc Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Metallic 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: PA Posts: 2,010 View My Garage	Agreed. High price, zero advertising, poor build quailty, and very few advantages over the competition. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why they're in trouble. __________________

07-03-2018, 05:45 PM	#78
HackSaw Drives: 2017 Camaro SS Join Date: May 2018 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 151	Dont think this has been mentioned How much money is Dodge spending on tv commercials. Has to be millions and chevy doesnt advertise. Bottom line to the factory may be the same profit

07-03-2018, 06:11 PM	#82
13vertss Drives: 2013 Camaro convertible 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Southern NH Posts: 1,077	What I really find funny, is a bunch of grown men complaining about sales and the other forum bragging about sales as if it effects them personally. Sales figures do nothing to any of us. We bought the car we like and that is all it should matter.

07-03-2018, 06:24 PM	#84
Trans damm Drives: Trans am Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Nyc Posts: 565	I skipped over most of the mumbo jumbo but I think the obvious is the car is just “ok” looking and getting worse for 19. The challenger keeps upping the anti with performance and marketing. It’s undeniably, any of my friends who aren’t car buffs always comment how the would love to get a challenger. When I bring up the camaro it’s always the same “meh” comment. There just not bringing the excitement in my opinion. Hard to be so excited over a “track monster” when most daily drive there car and enjoy more straight line acceleration and bragging rights. This all coming from a Z06 owner, so def not a troll, just my opservations and opinions.

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