Which of these 6 Camaros is the best deal?

[rontammy0]

Originally Posted by GatorGreg

Yeah the '80 Z/28 seems way overpriced IMO but then again it only has 11,000 miles on it and late edition 2nd gen Trans Ams in great condition are starting to command those kinds of prices now - I just don't think it translates to the '80 Z/28 even though it's still a very cool car - reminds me of the one in Fast Times at Ridgemont High - LOL

Damn I haven't seen that awesome movie in a long time....Porkys was another great movie. Its funny..when I bought my car I put a deposit down online. I had to drive 6 hours to pick it up. Before I closed the deal i gave it a good going over. . .I opened the door and when I shut it I was like wtf? It had the exact same clunk as my brothers 80 z/28. I laughed but still couldn't believe it......I still laugh my ass of at Porkys..https://youtu.be/9wSOyyKHQU0.

[67 to 91 to 13]

All are overpriced

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by Rock-It Man

...the price of the '69 Z/28 is "too good to be true", so be careful.

Originally Posted by 67 to 91 to 13

All are overpriced

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by rontammy0

Damn I haven't seen that awesome movie in a long time....Porkys was another great movie. Its funny..when I bought my car I put a deposit down online. I had to drive 6 hours to pick it up. Before I closed the deal i gave it a good going over. . .I opened the door and when I shut it I was like wtf? It had the exact same clunk as my brothers 80 z/28. I laughed but still couldn't believe it......I still laugh my ass of at Porkys..https://youtu.be/9wSOyyKHQU0.

Wow - Fast Times and Porky's, I remember waking up late at night to watch both of those on HBO and Cinemax while my parents were both asleep

Warning: NSFW

[DrLove38]

Dayum, I wouldn't want to watch the auctions with any of ya'll.
Sounds just like my wife.
That's not worth that. That car is 20-40 years old. That resto mod that cost 90-100 g to build is not worth that.
That 63 split window unrestored with 427 and side pipes is not worth that.
Why don't some of you naysayers say what these cars are worth. Or what you would give.
That 1959 Ferrari is not worth that.
I voted for the 1997.
And no their is not a lot of 2002's in that shape for sale.

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by DrLove38

Dayum, I wouldn't want to watch the auctions with any of ya'll.
Sounds just like my wife.
That's not worth that. That car is 20-40 years old...

LMAO - good point DrLove

[lbls1]

Its hard to say just from the titles. We need to know price, condition, options etc. You really can't pick one over the other without considering the condition, relative value, and value to the owner.

Let's look at two extremes on your list. The '69 z/28 will invariably be more valuable (in almost any condition) than the '97 'SS. It boils down to the taste of the buyer: The buyer might prefer the '97 'SS to the '69 z/28, so it could be a better value to that buyer even though it is worth less.

There are many variables to any car offered for sale, so it isn't an accurate assessment of value unless we know more information.

[MrChrisLS3]

I may have to correct myself, it looks like the Z/28 RS might have the better long range pay-off, of course depending on finer details of the car.


https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...28-COUPE-15372

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...RS-COUPE-49758

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...VERTIBLE-60559

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...VERTIBLE-65916

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...28-T-TOP-39709

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...R-T-TOP-190378

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by MrChrisLS3

I may have to correct myself, it looks like the Z/28 RS might have the better long range pay-off, of course depending on finer details of the car.


https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...28-COUPE-15372

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...RS-COUPE-49758

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...VERTIBLE-60559

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...VERTIBLE-65916

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...28-T-TOP-39709

https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...R-T-TOP-190378

Thanks - it should be pointed out that most of those auctions were in the 2006-2008 range, which IIRC was at the peak of the housing bubble which I believe corresponded with the collector car market bubble. Interesting that the fugly '93 Pace Car was able to fetch $20,900 in 2016 - maybe it's not such a bad deal after all at $17,900 despite having no votes here yet

[silversleeper]

Yes the 1969 Z28 with all numbers matching is an investment type item. However look at a 2001 2002 SS;
https://www.ebay.com/itm/-/173380897...2047675.l10137
This one didn't bid past $8700 and it looks like a good low mi example 2001 SS with 23k mi. I could envision this bringing $16k in the near future. IDK his reserve price. How much more % will a $75k car appreciate?
Baby boomers with lots of spare cash during the housing bubble and in early retirement helped push up collector muscle cars. Because they went up in price other investors jumped on the band wagon.
As pointed out in other threads, millennials are mostly not muscle car or any other car collectors. Boomers are aging out of collecting and will either sell out as they downsize or their estate will. Iconic cars will retain some value in my lifetime I believe but I don't think they will appreciate like during the housing bubble days. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hemi cuda's and other cars sell for 1.2 million dollars at actions some years ago. Do they bring half that now?
https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...cuda/100753876
Here's one that looks great for under half million asking price.

Oh and the unappreciated '93 pace car. I saw one on ebay yesterday, low miles without the stripes for about $5k less. It looked like a penguin without the rainbow striping.


If you don't want me to sound like your wife don't ask the question,


edit: https://azure.barrett-jackson.com/Ev...28-COUPE-15372
That is a HIGH price $225,000. Then you read the details. Not so crazy. 11k mi original mint condition unlicensed car. Likely the best in the world. Personally I'd much rather have that than the restored hemi's at 2x to 4x the price. I'm not a $100k+ car person but if I was I'd pay that than a Bentley etc.

[GatorGreg]

Originally Posted by silversleeper

...Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hemi cuda's and other cars sell for 1.2 million dollars at actions some years ago. Do they bring half that now?
https://classics.autotrader.com/clas...cuda/100753876
Here's one that looks great for under half million asking price...

IIRC, it's the Hemi 'cuda verts that sell for over a million dollars because they only made like a dozen verts in '70 and '71 (the one in your link is a coupe). I think they still go for over a million because they are considered the Holy Grail of muscle cars by many (including me).

[69 SS 350 5 Speed]

They are all way overpriced. The 69 Pace Car would make the best investment if you never drove it and sat on it for a few years. The car to buy for enjoyment would be the 97 SS but you would have to get into it for a whole lot less than they are asking.

[silversleeper]

In this thread I posted on realities of profits of investments in cars:
https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showt...nt#post9911806
E.g. buying a car and selling it for double what you paid 10 20 years later is generally a bad investment, especially in the $20,000- $75,000 dollar range. Costs vs profits don't give you the net gains.

More specifically IDK if that OP red Z28 is restored to a $75 level. I have my doubts. Often people say 'Z28's are bringing over $200k and $90k so mine is a bargain at $75k'. Non original parts and crappy restoration devalues them significantly.
Here is an overview of muscle car collecting prices based only on a quick review on the iconic hemi cude convertible mentioned above.
year 2002 $1.2mil
year 2009 $2.2mil
year 2014 $3.5mil
year 2016 $2.5mil
year 2018 $2.2mil
"Baby boomers who splurged to buy vintage muscle cars that they loved as teenagers may have made a better investment than they expected.
The value of 1969 to 1971 muscle cars from Plymouth, Dodge, Pontiac and Chevrolet has spiked in value in the last 18 months, according to Dave Magers, CEO of Mecum Auctions. His firm recently sold a Plymouth Hemi Barracuda (known as a Hemi Cuda for short) for $3.5 million and another for $2.5 million in two West Coast auctions...
The base market for these cars is American baby boomers, Hagers told CBS MoneyWatch in an interview. "They come into some wealth, and they end up owning the car they have dreamed about since they were 16 years old."
European, Asian and Australian collectors have also begun bidding on muscle cars, helping boost their value into the same range as Ferraris from the 1960s. But the rarest of Ferraris from before World War II still can bring in $25 million and up."

As for putting my money where my mouth is, I bought one of the top 10 2017 performing stocks a couple months ago with some retirement savings and I'm up 20%. You don't want to put everything you own gambling on a single stock or property but if we are talking about investing...

ref:
https://www.cbsnews.com/media/5-musc...-for-millions/
https://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/16/...-record-video/
https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/A...ertible/195204