[Bhobbs]

The small blower crap was due to the Z06 changing from n/a to supercharged. They had to clear the hood, so the only option was a small blower. The ZR1 gets that huge hood bulge to clear the 2650. The ZL1 was also stuck with the 1.7 because GM is too rigid to think beyond the bottom line.

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The ZL1 was also stuck with the 1.7 because GM is too rigid to think beyond the bottom line.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The biggest problem the Hellcat has is a lack of traction..275 wide rubber is woefully inadequate even for a 485 HP car, much less one with 200+ more HP and buckets more torque.

Blaq and I had this discussion earlier..most of the Hellcats ills would be solved with wider/lighter wheels with more rubber. Going to a sticky 305 square set up would make massive improvements, but that's on a consumer level.

I may be behind the times..I fully admit that, but I think $2,500-$3,000 in new wheels/rubber is cheaper than replacing the blower on a ZL1.

And I fully agree with the small blower crap being a problem..it seems to me that a larger blower turning slower with less heat would be better than a small blower spinning to the moon generating lots of heat...

Dodge is dragging their feet with the traction woes of the HC and only offering an expensive option to correct the problem. The Widebody Option is a joke IMO, way too expensive and not needed. There is no need for a squared 305 option, the HC is not a track car. They could easily alter the rear wheel design and allow a set of sticky 305s to fit in the rear and leave the present 275s up front, but that wouldn't allow them to place a 6k premium on the car.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The biggest problem the Hellcat has is a lack of traction..275 wide rubber is woefully inadequate even for a 485 HP car, much less one with 200+ more HP and buckets more torque.

Blaq and I had this discussion earlier..most of the Hellcats ills would be solved with wider/lighter wheels with more rubber. Going to a sticky 305 square set up would make massive improvements, but that's on a consumer level.

I may be behind the times..I fully admit that, but I think $2,500-$3,000 in new wheels/rubber is cheaper than replacing the blower on a ZL1.

And I fully agree with the small blower crap being a problem..it seems to me that a larger blower turning slower with less heat would be better than a small blower spinning to the moon generating lots of heat...

Whether you track your car or not, the the ZL1 will keep its shit together when driven hard. As 18Hotwheels-SS pointed out, the Hellcat is scary if its not pointed in a straight line.

A low 11s street/strip/track car is what Chevy offers in the ZL1. It was the best of the three in the last generation because it did everything well. That is still its strength.

[SuperSound]

FYI they released the pricing for the Redeye. Starts at $69,650. Hellcat got a price drop too down to $58,650

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

FYI they released the pricing for the Redeye. Starts at $69,650. Hellcat got a price drop too down to $58,650

Yep..

It's a Not-At-All-A-Demon-Guys play...

Hope it goes well for them

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by newmoon

We have had this argument many times. There is a 11:00s on the table for the Hellcat by Cars.com review, and a 10:90s on the table from MotorWeek. For the ZL1 the best I have seen is MotorTrend's 11:40s?

No we haven't. I have not seen any testing of the Hellcat on it's stock tires do better than an 11.7 while the best the ZL1 has done is an 11.4.

Originally Posted by Finkleson

High Horsepower will always catch peoples attention. Ford better step up the gt500 after RedEye was just introduce. Dodge wins straight line, while GM takes tracks and corners? What shall Ford try to take over?

Highest priced with least options...

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Why does everyone keep throwing around $100,000 for a GT500?

I'd love to know what imaginary combination of components you're crafting to hit that amount.

That is not a MSRP guess. They're saying you won't be able to get one for less than $100K after markups are thrown in. I think that is a bit of a stretch. I think the MSRP will be in the $70K range and there will be $5K-$10K in markups.

Originally Posted by hotlap

This (below) is difficult to fixed and adding 90 HP didn't help. The ZL1 is a completely engineered car.

FYI - I'm on record as not being a fan of the LT4 and it 1.7L blower. Chevy seriously needs to stop the tiny blow crap.

That is a huge exaggeration. People are DDing Hellcats from stock power to over 1000 RWHP and they're doing just fine. I could boost mine to 750ish to the wheels and it would be fine. The handling is NOT that bad. I throw it in track mode and although it is a far cry from how my ZL1 handles it still does pretty well for it's weight and size.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The biggest problem the Hellcat has is a lack of traction..275 wide rubber is woefully inadequate even for a 485 HP car, much less one with 200+ more HP and buckets more torque.

Blaq and I had this discussion earlier..most of the Hellcats ills would be solved with wider/lighter wheels with more rubber. Going to a sticky 305 square set up would make massive improvements, but that's on a consumer level.

I may be behind the times..I fully admit that, but I think $2,500-$3,000 in new wheels/rubber is cheaper than replacing the blower on a ZL1.

And I fully agree with the small blower crap being a problem..it seems to me that a larger blower turning slower with less heat would be better than a small blower spinning to the moon generating lots of heat...

The problem is that the ZL1 needs to have the engine opened up to get power that the Hellcat can get with just a blower. I priced out modding my ZL1 and it is expensive. Like, $15K (minimum) to over $20K for what I can get out of the Hellcat for just $3500.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The small blower crap was due to the Z06 changing from n/a to supercharged. They had to clear the hood, so the only option was a small blower. The ZR1 gets that huge hood bulge to clear the 2650. The ZL1 was also stuck with the 1.7 because GM is too rigid to think beyond the bottom line.

Well I believe that cost also played a role. That little 1.7 is probably what kept us as the cheapest of the bunch. And it is more than enough to handle what the car was set out to do. The only problem with that blower is that it is limited when modding the car. GM has no desire to build these cars so that we can go out and mod them and blow the engine and then return it to stock for free warranty work.

Originally Posted by hotlap

Whether you track your car or not, the the ZL1 will keep its shit together when driven hard. As 18Hotwheels-SS pointed out, the Hellcat is scary if its not pointed in a straight line.

A low 11s street/strip/track car is what Chevy offers in the ZL1. It was the best of the three in the last generation because it did everything well. That is still its strength.

Nonsense. It is no more scary than a ZL1 is. The only difference is that you have to go around corners slower. If you stay within it's limits then it is fine. If you push beyond them then you're in trouble...same can be said if you push a ZL1 beyond it's limits. As we have seen a few incidents of people smacking walls on tracks. I know how fast my HC can take certain corners. And I stay within that limit and it is not scary. Even when at it's limit. I just know not to go beyond that. Now if you try to go around a corner in a HC as fast as you could do it in a ZL1, then you're in trouble. But if you try to take a corner in a ZL1 as fast as you would in a ZR1 or Z06 then you'd be in trouble too. Does that make the ZL1 scary?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Nonsense. It is no more scary than a ZL1 is. The only difference is that you have to go around corners slower. If you stay within it's limits then it is fine. If you push beyond them then you're in trouble...same can be said if you push a ZL1 beyond it's limits. As we have seen a few incidents of people smacking walls on tracks. I know how fast my HC can take certain corners. And I stay within that limit and it is not scary. Even when at it's limit. I just know not to go beyond that. Now if you try to go around a corner in a HC as fast as you could do it in a ZL1, then you're in trouble. But if you try to take a corner in a ZL1 as fast as you would in a ZR1 or Z06 then you'd be in trouble too. Does that make the ZL1 scary?

Friend. Reread what I wrote. You just made my point. The two have very different limits.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Friend. Reread what I wrote. You just made my point. The two have very different limits.

I didn't mean that what you said was nonsense. I was referring to what 18Hotwheels-SS was saying. Sorry for not clarifying. He made it sound like the HC is scary no matter what and that is not true. As long as you stay within it's limits it is fine. It is nowhere near as capable as the ZL1. But one thing I notice is that the HC will let you know it's limits. My ZL1, I have yet to get to it's limit because I go around corners and it feels like I can push it further and further. I think the HC has more of a window between "slow down" and "too late"...whereas the ZL1 is like "go faster go faster go faster oops". On some of these roads I am comfortable in the HC because I know at 35, 40, 45, whatever MPH that is as far as it will go. On those same roads I'm pushing the ZL1 and there is no indication that it's gonna leave the road.

[wjones14]

That's as awesome a YouTube ad from one of the big three as you'll ever see. Dodge has the best marketing for its performance cars. Duh.

Not surprised at the Barrett Jackson auction last week at Mohegan Sun casino that with Dodge and Chevy providing ride-alongs (Hellcats and ZL1 1LEs), that the Dodge booth had a guy with a microphone touting the Hellcats - "the fastest sedan in the world," and "watch them drift" - while Chevy just went about their business without an MC or mic.

[JhonnyGTR]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

FYI they released the pricing for the Redeye. Starts at $69,650. Hellcat got a price drop too down to $58,650

... That's going to be Bold

[motorhead]

Boy these threads make me laugh. When you are on the road going to grandma's house the couple of tenths difference between all these cars will make no difference. It literally amazing that we are even talking about 650 to over 800hp factory cars that more than just a rapper or basketball player can afford. To me at this point it comes down to which one you enjoy the most. Most people that will actually run them on tracks will modify them anyhow which makes their factory times pointless.
Pick your poison. They are all great cars.

[Koldunic]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Boy these threads make me laugh. When you are on the road going to grandma's house the couple of tenths difference between all these cars will make no difference. It literally amazing that we are even talking about 650 to over 800hp factory cars that more than just a rapper or basketball player can afford. To me at this point it comes down to which one you enjoy the most. Most people that will actually run them on tracks will modify them anyhow which makes their factory times pointless.
Pick your poison. They are all great cars.

I agree with you.