07-17-2019, 11:36 AM | #29 |
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So no intercooler.... that is interesting. Any heat issues?
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07-17-2019, 12:21 PM | #30 |
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Yes there are intercoolers, two large bricks on each side and heat exchanger (LTR) up front as the 2300 Heartbeat has.
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07-17-2019, 01:39 PM | #31 | |
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Sorry for my delay and not providing this plot initially, the 2650 make more torque everywhere on the base LT1 than the TVS2300 did, as you know, every dyno is different so here are all 3 runs on the same dyno plotted together. Stock Camaro LT1 (417 RWHP) TVS2300 Camaro LT1 with Magnuson CARB Cal (553 RWHP) TVS2650 Camaro LT1 with CARB Proposed Cal (600 RWHP) As you can see it gives a nice torque benefit across the range and then keeps pulling up top. Now there is no question that the 2300 is a great performer and lower cost solution than the 2650, but in this scenario (street driven pump gas car), the 2650 doesn't give up anything down low and still has a much higher peak power capability. |
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07-17-2019, 01:56 PM | #32 |
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King and I are ok. Little bantering back and forth is ok and we always make up in the morning. Haha.
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07-17-2019, 01:58 PM | #33 |
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Fair enough. I respectfully pull-back and let you guys do what you guys do, HAHAHA.
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Mike, Thanks for posting that. Paints a much clearer picture. The torque looks low on both units. So I am not sure if that is Dyno or tuning related but none the less it at least shows the 2650 gives up nothing down low and nets a much stronger top end. In that case it's a win win. Just curious if they both were dyno'd at the same boost level? Quote:
Not Hostile at all. Laynlo and I are cool... No issues at all. I have been a fan of the Magnuson stuff from day 1.
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07-17-2019, 05:23 PM | #35 | |
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No, not the same boost level, both tunes are done to achieve the highest possible power on 91 octane pump fuel. The boost pressure that made the highest power level on the TVS2300 was about 7.2 psi. With the TVS2650 we are able to run about 8.5 psi and still hold close to 20 degrees of timing - which is the magic point on these engines. If you're below about 16 degrees you're running too much boost, you'll make more power by lowering boost and increasing timing and vice versa, if you're getting up to 22 degrees, and you have enough fuel, power is yours by adding boost and lowering timing. While there's a bit more to it than just that to make big power on these DI engines, that's a good rule of |
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07-22-2019, 09:29 AM | #36 | |
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Looking forward to the differences we see from the LT4 Blower to this one. Ted.
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08-22-2019, 12:39 AM | #37 | |
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Is the 2300 in this graph intercooled and otherwise the car is stock? Is Mike Jrs car an A8? I ask because I'm interested in just an intercooled supercharger on my otherwise stock car. I like the Magnuson, just trying to decide between TVS2300 and TVS2650. |
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08-22-2019, 07:37 AM | #38 |
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Mike Jrs is an A8 and they are both very capable of making great hp. My 2300 made a best of 801 but we backed it down to about 770 because we were seeing a little knock because we were running lot of timing. My current 2650 makes around 837 on 14-15 lbs of boost and lots of room to grow plus the meth is almost turned down very low, just a little spray for additional fueling as my low side needs a little more work but we are still safe where we are. Iat's at the end of the track now are about 20 to 30 degrees cooler then we were with the 2300. We were on 16.5 lbs of boost with the 2300 and 14-15 with the 2650 and we've already run 9.65et and best mph is 145. We are still having launch issues but with my BRM suspension and going back to a drag radial we should solve that spinning the tires issue, plus we might pull a couple degrees of timing down low which will help some also. Either way your getting a great power adder and you'll love that instant boost it achieves.
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08-26-2019, 04:38 PM | #39 | |
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Stock Camaro (91 octane) Intercooled Heartbeat DI TVS2300 Camaro (all else stock, 91 octane) Intercooled Magnum DI TVS2650R Camaro (all else stock, 91 octane) The Camaro represented in the pulls above has an A8 transmission. |
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08-26-2019, 06:34 PM | #40 |
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How did you install 2650 over the 2300?
I ordered 2650 and paid, but got informed Magnuson provides the headunit only at this point, means no harnesses, no hoses , even no the coil relocation kits. I have no idea how I can install on the car installed 2300. Do I need to do all custom work? |
08-27-2019, 08:52 AM | #41 | |
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