2020 Supra almost here

Martinjlm · 12-24-2018, 09:20 AM

I saw the FT1 Concept at Detroit in 2014 and then tweaked versions of it over the next year and a half. Now, 5 years later the "real" car comes back to Detroit.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/24/...iew-uncovered/

I'm sure most of you already know it will be powered by a BMW inline 6. Not certain of the output, since BMW has versions of the 6 from 181 hp up to 456. IT clearly will not be either of the bookended versions. Probably the 248 hp version. Maybe a bit more.

Spartan268 · 12-24-2018, 01:08 PM

Out of the box I can't see it get too far. I have a feeling they're going a 370z kind of direction with it. Aftermarket will be very interesting with those I6 engines. JDM fanboys will revere it as the second coming of car Jesus.

Vtor_ZL1 · 12-24-2018, 01:38 PM

*yawn*.. not toyota reliable, yet bmw expensive.

ChefBorOzzy · 12-24-2018, 01:40 PM

Inline 6 will probably be in the range of 360hp.

LT4Greg · 12-24-2018, 02:12 PM

NASCAR will start using a variation of it in the X-Finity series in 2019 and the Monster Cup series in 2020. Of course it will be built on NASCAR specs and will replace the Camry.

JamesNoBrakes · 12-24-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Inline 6 will probably be in the range of 360hp whp.

Fixed.

DaveC113 · 12-24-2018, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Fixed.

I agree, it'll probably be about that and I'd guess it'll keep up with a '19 M2. It might be competition for a SS 1LE on a track...

Martinjlm · 12-25-2018, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I saw the FT1 Concept at Detroit in 2014 and then tweaked versions of it over the next year and a half. Now, 5 years later the "real" car comes back to Detroit.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/24/...iew-uncovered/

I'm sure most of you already know it will be powered by a BMW inline 6. Not certain of the output, since BMW has versions of the 6 from 181 hp up to 456. IT clearly will not be either of the bookended versions. Probably the 248 hp version. Maybe a bit more.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

Inline 6 will probably be in the range of 360hp whp.

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Fixed.

Per Road & Track, 335 at the crank, not whp. Don’t know what I was thinking. 248 is more like what the 2.0T should deliver. And according to R&T the 2.0T will come in at 262. The 2019 340i has a 382 hp inline 6 turbo, so 335 would be significantly reduced for the Supra. Not unprecedented with BMW. They have multiple power levels for the inline 6 for different sales markets and probably sell Toyota one of the lesser tunes while keeping the higher tunes for the Z4. The Z4 has a 255 2.0T and a 382 inline 6.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-what-we-know/

Zaxer · 12-26-2018, 08:02 AM

Toyota continues their hedge on the sports car market in R&D development costs - sharing with BMW on the Supra, and Subaru for the 86. Curious if Toyota will drop in a high powered hybrid engine of some sort in the future, which seems obvious and appropriate for the Supra. I suppose it’s too low of a volume - but it would be intriguing. I recall the old twin turbo version from the 90’s...nice car.

Martinjlm · 12-26-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaxer

Toyota continues their hedge on the sports car market in R&D development costs - sharing with BMW on the Supra, and Subaru for the 86. Curious if Toyota will drop in a high powered hybrid engine of some sort in the future, which seems obvious and appropriate for the Supra. I suppose it’s too low of a volume - but it would be intriguing. I recall the old twin turbo version from the 90’s...nice car.

I am not a betting man, but I would drop a huge sum on the prospects of this happening.

SpeedIsLife · 12-26-2018, 02:05 PM

If Toyota prices the Supra right..they won't have any trouble selling them. Honestly I think a lot of the people who are normally the JDM/import types that jumped ship to the Camaro/Mustang in 2015+..they'll be going "back home" as it were with this new Mk V Supra.

oldman · 12-28-2018, 11:54 PM

My son and I like JDM, we have a built type R Integra sleeved 2.1 block, huge cams, about 285 engine HP NA, we going to E85 by summer and 13:1, looking to crack into the 300 HP range NA, sure this is candy if we did a K20, but we want to be authentic to the car. We tossed around an older Skyline, I like the look, but once we are done modding might as well get a second hand Audi RS3.

I don't know if the Supra will make any headway, I'll point to the poor selling E86, it really did not ever have enough HP to really compete. Now with Honda and the new Type R (ugly as sin), the E86 is hopeless. Looking at the 1le and even the ecoboost with sports package, I'm having a hard time seeing the Supra make headway 2.0 or the twin turbo.

I also race Minis and I'm in love with this new BMW 2.0 with basically VTEC.

My thinking is this, it will sell well enough, but most of them will be 2.0 BMW engines with automatic transmissions. The car is a looker for sure. There is so much money now into the pony cars, the dominate everything, road race, 1/4 mile and autoX (;larger tracks). There just is not enough money into the BMW engine stateside. I'm now seeing 416 ish 1lE show up and the are hard to beat, really phenomenal performance, just OMG. Pretty cheap to get into, candy to work on, lots of builders, lots of parts. I just see a complete Camaro dominance, probably because of the reasons cited above.

redcoats1976 · 12-29-2018, 05:18 AM

to be honest i dont care for the styling on this,but im sure it will be a popular car with the fast and furious demographic.but with SUVs taking over the world,i hope it works out well for toyota.

Emoto · 12-29-2018, 07:05 AM

Wow, that back end looks like something out of a child's comic book. Yuck. I find the front end less ridiculous, but still goofy.

Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

12-24-2018, 09:20 AM	#1
Martinjlm Retired from GM Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Detroit Posts: 5,228	2020 Supra almost here I saw the FT1 Concept at Detroit in 2014 and then tweaked versions of it over the next year and a half. Now, 5 years later the "real" car comes back to Detroit. https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/24/...iew-uncovered/ I'm sure most of you already know it will be powered by a BMW inline 6. Not certain of the output, since BMW has versions of the 6 from 181 hp up to 456. IT clearly will not be either of the bookended versions. Probably the 248 hp version. Maybe a bit more. __________________ 2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE A8 \| MRC \| NPP \| Nav \| HUD \| GM Performance CAI \| Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB \| Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers \| FlexFuel Tune \| Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam \| Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight \| Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties \| 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray \| Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays \| Novistretch bra and mirror covers \| Tow hitch for bicycle rack \|

12-24-2018, 01:38 PM	#3
Vtor_ZL1 Who Needs to KNOW? Drives: 18 ZLE Join Date: May 2018 Location: Left Side of the Moon Posts: 1,770	yawn.. not toyota reliable, yet bmw expensive. __________________ ing for grip. Are you in the NY/NJ/PA/CT region? Join us for autox fun at MetLife Stadium. HUGE lots, tons of runs. http://www.motorsportsne.com/

12-24-2018, 02:12 PM	#5
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,813	NASCAR will start using a variation of it in the X-Finity series in 2019 and the Monster Cup series in 2020. Of course it will be built on NASCAR specs and will replace the Camry. __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

12-28-2018, 11:54 PM	#12
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,316	My son and I like JDM, we have a built type R Integra sleeved 2.1 block, huge cams, about 285 engine HP NA, we going to E85 by summer and 13:1, looking to crack into the 300 HP range NA, sure this is candy if we did a K20, but we want to be authentic to the car. We tossed around an older Skyline, I like the look, but once we are done modding might as well get a second hand Audi RS3. I don't know if the Supra will make any headway, I'll point to the poor selling E86, it really did not ever have enough HP to really compete. Now with Honda and the new Type R (ugly as sin), the E86 is hopeless. Looking at the 1le and even the ecoboost with sports package, I'm having a hard time seeing the Supra make headway 2.0 or the twin turbo. I also race Minis and I'm in love with this new BMW 2.0 with basically VTEC. My thinking is this, it will sell well enough, but most of them will be 2.0 BMW engines with automatic transmissions. The car is a looker for sure. There is so much money now into the pony cars, the dominate everything, road race, 1/4 mile and autoX (;larger tracks). There just is not enough money into the BMW engine stateside. I'm now seeing 416 ish 1lE show up and the are hard to beat, really phenomenal performance, just OMG. Pretty cheap to get into, candy to work on, lots of builders, lots of parts. I just see a complete Camaro dominance, probably because of the reasons cited above. __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

12-29-2018, 07:05 AM	#14
Emoto Sure, why not? Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS, Jeep JKU Rubicon Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: SE Mass Posts: 1,538	Wow, that back end looks like something out of a child's comic book. Yuck. I find the front end less ridiculous, but still goofy. Of course, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. __________________ This is that witty and clever statement that makes you chuckle.

12-24-2018, 01:08 PM	#2
Spartan268 Drives: HB 2SS Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 518	Out of the box I can't see it get too far. I have a feeling they're going a 370z kind of direction with it. Aftermarket will be very interesting with those I6 engines. JDM fanboys will revere it as the second coming of car Jesus.

12-24-2018, 01:40 PM	#4
ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	Inline 6 will probably be in the range of 360hp.

12-26-2018, 08:02 AM	#9
Zaxer Drives: 3 kraut burners Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Beer, Brats, Cheese and Beer Posts: 4	Toyota continues their hedge on the sports car market in R&D development costs - sharing with BMW on the Supra, and Subaru for the 86. Curious if Toyota will drop in a high powered hybrid engine of some sort in the future, which seems obvious and appropriate for the Supra. I suppose it’s too low of a volume - but it would be intriguing. I recall the old twin turbo version from the 90’s...nice car.

12-26-2018, 02:05 PM	#11
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	If Toyota prices the Supra right..they won't have any trouble selling them. Honestly I think a lot of the people who are normally the JDM/import types that jumped ship to the Camaro/Mustang in 2015+..they'll be going "back home" as it were with this new Mk V Supra.

12-29-2018, 05:18 AM	#13
redcoats1976 Drives: LT W/2LT,blue metallic Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: central florida Posts: 4,915	to be honest i dont care for the styling on this,but im sure it will be a popular car with the fast and furious demographic.but with SUVs taking over the world,i hope it works out well for toyota.

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