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I had a 2002 Z28 with the 6 spd manual. I ran consistent 13.5 -13.6 probably could of did better. I'm willing to bet the 6gen will have its hands fulll against an LS1 Powered camaro. But curious to see but I would put my money on the LS1.
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AL O is on record as saying the V6 and T4 will both be near 300 pounds lighter than the current V6. That puts it well into 3400 pound range. Not exactly 3400...no. But 3450....give or take? Certainly.
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I'm with this....im thinking the magazine testing will put it in the 13.5 to 13.6 range.
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06-15-2015, 10:04 PM | #19 |
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98 had the largest cam.
99-00 next largest. 01-02 smallest cam. Differences were slight but they were different. Also no EGR and slightly better exhaust manifold on the newer cars. ls6 style clutch in 01-02 as well. All in all the 01-02 made a bit more power but the fast lists etc. didnt ever reflect much of a difference. Ive been a member of ls1tech since 2004. All things equal the 01-02 car only had a slight advantage imo. 1 maybe 2 tenths tops. |
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The 2015 2LS Camaro is listed at 3702lbs from GM. If the 2016 base V6 Camaro can lose 300lbs from that car it will be 3402lbs. With 335HP, the 8 speed and that weight I see no reason why low 13's wouldn't be possible with negative DA, the right driver and a well prepped track. I bet the 4 best mods for that car would be a tune, gears, converter and tires.
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Why are some of you arguing points about a car that doesn't exist yet but still don't know all LS1's were around 350bhp?
And I don't care what Al said as half of the comparisons GM uses for this weight loss show the previous SS at 3900lbs plus. |
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This whole forum is dedicated to a car that does exist but is not on sale yet. Kind of like a real HP rating on the LS1, it exists but not officially. This is about a V6 6th gen, not an SS. And what GM comparisons have mentioned the previous SS at 3900+? Every statement regarding weight made by Al or GM press releases has not mentioned a specific weight for the previous gen, only XXXlbs over the comparable previous gen.
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Because we can. If you don't like it just move along. Plus many fbodys put down between 280-310whp so to say it had 350hp and thats the law isn't correct.
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....but the SS is 3900 plus. The 2015s are a bit heavier than the 2010s were. Look it up on the Chevrolet website under Camaro specs. So what is your issue?
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But I'm pretty much like you. Had a built 4th gen in the past. Know a lot about them. But it's getting further and further in the past... |
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06-16-2015, 03:06 PM | #26 |
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It's well understood that the 1998-2002 LS1 motors were "underrated", so I believe 350HP @ the crank is possible .... My 2002 Camaro was crazy ordered from the factory even without a stock radio and it does have T-Tops .... go figure that one, although it has the crappy 2.73 rear gears but it moves and moves it does, lol ........
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The biggest thing people forget about when they dynoed Y bodies vs F bodies on the same dyno and same day is a C5 Corvette has a beefier IRS, heavier 18" wheels and heavier/larger run flat tires. Most all 4th gen F bodies have light 16" wheels/tires and a tiny 10 bolt rear end that didn't soak up much power. In other words a C5 has more drivetrain loss than a 4th gen. Like I said earlier, there is no way to know for certain unless someone pulls the engines from both models with all accessories and full exhaust and puts them on a engine dyno. Even then not all LS1's were built equal from the factory. Some were stronger than others of the same year and model. Its not like today were there is very little variance of the same engine. Its full speculation on how much power LS1 engines made but my educated guess is that the Y body made more then the F body because of the exhaust. This thread was made in speculation and hope that what Al O said comes true and the base to base V6 weight loss is 300lbs. If that doesn't happen then all of this is a mute point and wasted time.
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Obviously production variations will make every engine different. And for each positive change of the LS1 there was a negative. Be it cams, exhaust manifolds, intake manifolds and AIR & EGR. In any case the engine itself had an average rating of 350bhp.
With that being said the 2016 V6 isn't going to weigh 3400lbs let alone match a 98-02 Z/28 or SS. |
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