Bolt on SS A8/A10 VS ZL1 1LE A10

Murder6.2 · 07-30-2020, 08:51 PM

What’s up guys, just curious if anyone knows what are the bare minimum mods it takes for an Automatic SS to be able to out run a ZL1 1LE A10?
I’m talking about straight line only btw!
Please don’t say get a blower 😂
Is it possible with just bolt ons and E85?
If anyone here has a done it please chime in.

ZRacerLE · 07-30-2020, 09:24 PM

Non 1LE ZL1 is faster at the top end. Doesn't have as much drag as the 1LE.

JROC · 07-30-2020, 09:28 PM

I'm assuming you're wanting to know if it's possible for a N/A SS to out run a ZL1?

I don't know if it's possible with just boltons, (particularly with a stock rear gear) but I'm pretty sure a well built and tuned H/C/I/bolton/E85 A10 SS could outpace a stock A10 ZL1 1LE. (and probably by a decent amount) You would probably need to at least be cammed, and these aren't LS motors so it's hard to consider a cam a bolton with the GEN5 motor like many do with the GEN3/GEN4 motors. They are much more involved and costly to swap, and you're going to want to delete the AFM so you may as well port the heads while they're off the motor.

If the ZL1 starts to mod his car you may be in trouble if you intend to stay N/A.

Joshinator99 · 07-30-2020, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JROC

I'm assuming you're wanting to know if it's possible for a N/A SS to out run a ZL1?

I don't know if it's possible with just boltons, (particularly with a stock rear gear) but I'm pretty sure a well built and tuned H/C/I/bolton/E85 A10 SS could outpace a stock A10 ZL1 1LE. (and probably by a decent amount) You would probably need to at least be cammed, and these aren't LS motors so it's hard to consider a cam a bolton with the GEN5 motor like many do with the GEN3/GEN4 motors. They are much more involved and costly to swap, and you're going to want to delete the AFM so you may as well port the heads while they're off the motor.

If the ZL1 starts to mod his car you may be in trouble if you intend to stay N/A.

Well said.

To the OP: buy a blower.

Murder6.2 · 07-30-2020, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Non 1LE ZL1 is faster at the top end. Doesn't have as much drag as the 1LE.

Thanks for the feedback
I’ve heard the regular ZL1 is better for top end just happens the ZL1 im going go race is a 1LE

Murder6.2 · 07-30-2020, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JROC

I'm assuming you're wanting to know if it's possible for a N/A SS to out run a ZL1?

I don't know if it's possible with just boltons, (particularly with a stock rear gear) but I'm pretty sure a well built and tuned H/C/I/bolton/E85 A10 SS could outpace a stock A10 ZL1 1LE. (and probably by a decent amount) You would probably need to at least be cammed, and these aren't LS motors so it's hard to consider a cam a bolton with the GEN5 motor like many do with the GEN3/GEN4 motors. They are much more involved and costly to swap, and you're going to want to delete the AFM so you may as well port the heads while they're off the motor.

If the ZL1 starts to mod his car you may be in trouble if you intend to stay N/A.

I’ve seen quite a few properly set up H/C/I SS’s trap well into the 135 range or more at the 1/4.
A stock ZL1 usually traps anywhere from 123-127 from what I know.
I understand once he modifies his car it’s game over Forsure
Was just curious if any one has beaten one with simple bolt ons, guess I’ll be the one to try it. I’m completely expecting to get walked tho

Murder6.2 · 07-30-2020, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Well said.

To the OP: buy a blower.

No boost for this one NA all the way 😂

gameovergt · 07-31-2020, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Murder6.2

What’s up guys, just curious if anyone knows what are the bare minimum mods it takes for an Automatic SS to be able to out run a ZL1 1LE A10?
I’m talking about straight line only btw!
Please don’t say get a blower ��
Is it possible with just bolt ons and E85?
If anyone here has a done it please chime in.

anything is possible. Especially if he can't get traction off the line. A proper E85 tune with headers could really wake your car up. Good luck & be safe.

ZRacerLE · 07-31-2020, 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murder6.2

Thanks for the feedback
I’ve heard the regular ZL1 is better for top end just happens the ZL1 im going go race is a 1LE

Then be sure and race it on a windy day and find a road running against the wind.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 07-31-2020, 09:38 AM

https://youtu.be/8h59mjXOSOg

This is m6 to m6, intake/exhaust (assuming stock tune) zl1 1le vs pray e85 fbo (high ram) ss 1le.

The ss 1le seemed to have an advantage hooking up and on 40 rolls, the zl1 1le showed better top end on the 60 roll.

RobbyBeefcake87 · 07-31-2020, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Then be sure and race it on a windy day and find a road running against the wind.

Was your zle always an a10 or did you change cars?

oldman · 07-31-2020, 04:31 PM

I think NA will outpace a stock ZL1, I do think a stock or slightly modded Zl1 to be a pretty fun well rounded, strong package, with warranty. I would always go with an SS just because I knew I would mod period and the SS was lighter and way cheaper. If I was not doing my own work and / or did not have a garage.. I would seriously look at a ZL1.

The SS FBO with PS4 is about at the traction limit. Any FI does not make the car any faster at any reasonable legal to outright crazy road speeds. So if you don't intend to run DR and or be at a prep track NA is going to offer all the HP you can reasonably needed. Plus there is something to be said if you do HC it is pure glory shifting thru a high comp, high RPM V8 with a great Hurst shifter M6, something that I have not had since my 69 Z/28, I'm glad I've gone full circle and my first and last Camaros were manuals.

ZRacerLE · 07-31-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Was your zle always an a10 or did you change cars?

Came from an H/C/I C6Z. ZLE is my first ever track car with an automatic.

Murder6.2 · 08-21-2020, 03:49 AM

We got it done and have some testing
Cars were a 2017 Camaro SS A8 VS a 2020 ZL1 1LE A10
SS “mod list” was
Rotofab Intake
CA cat deletes
E85
ECM tune only
And ZL1 was stock
Anything under a 50 roll the SS jumps ahead and stays ahead until 115
By 125 the ZL1 is a car ahead
60 rolls the ZL1 has a huge advantage in power and gearing and takes off
The top end is significantly superior on ZL1 as it is to be expected but anything under 100 is very close. Not sure how to upload videos of the runs

07-30-2020, 08:51 PM	#1
Murder6.2 LIL SLOW SS Drives: 2017 SS Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: CA Posts: 108	Bolt on SS A8/A10 VS ZL1 1LE A10 What’s up guys, just curious if anyone knows what are the bare minimum mods it takes for an Automatic SS to be able to out run a ZL1 1LE A10? I’m talking about straight line only btw! Please don’t say get a blower 😂 Is it possible with just bolt ons and E85? If anyone here has a done it please chime in.

07-31-2020, 09:38 AM	#10
RobbyBeefcake87 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Tampa Florida Posts: 1,980	https://youtu.be/8h59mjXOSOg This is m6 to m6, intake/exhaust (assuming stock tune) zl1 1le vs pray e85 fbo (high ram) ss 1le. The ss 1le seemed to have an advantage hooking up and on 40 rolls, the zl1 1le showed better top end on the 60 roll. __________________ 2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar. 2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights.

07-31-2020, 04:31 PM	#12
oldman Drives: SS 6 speed of course Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Hilo, HI Posts: 4,317	I think NA will outpace a stock ZL1, I do think a stock or slightly modded Zl1 to be a pretty fun well rounded, strong package, with warranty. I would always go with an SS just because I knew I would mod period and the SS was lighter and way cheaper. If I was not doing my own work and / or did not have a garage.. I would seriously look at a ZL1. The SS FBO with PS4 is about at the traction limit. Any FI does not make the car any faster at any reasonable legal to outright crazy road speeds. So if you don't intend to run DR and or be at a prep track NA is going to offer all the HP you can reasonably needed. Plus there is something to be said if you do HC it is pure glory shifting thru a high comp, high RPM V8 with a great Hurst shifter M6, something that I have not had since my 69 Z/28, I'm glad I've gone full circle and my first and last Camaros were manuals. __________________ Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.

08-21-2020, 03:49 AM	#14
Murder6.2 LIL SLOW SS Drives: 2017 SS Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: CA Posts: 108	We got it done and have some testing Cars were a 2017 Camaro SS A8 VS a 2020 ZL1 1LE A10 SS “mod list” was Rotofab Intake CA cat deletes E85 ECM tune only And ZL1 was stock Anything under a 50 roll the SS jumps ahead and stays ahead until 115 By 125 the ZL1 is a car ahead 60 rolls the ZL1 has a huge advantage in power and gearing and takes off The top end is significantly superior on ZL1 as it is to be expected but anything under 100 is very close. Not sure how to upload videos of the runs Last edited by Murder6.2; 08-22-2020 at 03:57 PM.

07-30-2020, 09:24 PM	#2
ZRacerLE Drives: The DSSV Twins: ZR2 and ZLE A10 Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: TX Posts: 889	Non 1LE ZL1 is faster at the top end. Doesn't have as much drag as the 1LE.

07-30-2020, 09:28 PM	#3
JROC Account Suspended Drives: 19 Camaro SS 1LE, 03 Ford Lightning Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: South Carolina Posts: 334	I'm assuming you're wanting to know if it's possible for a N/A SS to out run a ZL1? I don't know if it's possible with just boltons, (particularly with a stock rear gear) but I'm pretty sure a well built and tuned H/C/I/bolton/E85 A10 SS could outpace a stock A10 ZL1 1LE. (and probably by a decent amount) You would probably need to at least be cammed, and these aren't LS motors so it's hard to consider a cam a bolton with the GEN5 motor like many do with the GEN3/GEN4 motors. They are much more involved and costly to swap, and you're going to want to delete the AFM so you may as well port the heads while they're off the motor. If the ZL1 starts to mod his car you may be in trouble if you intend to stay N/A.

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