[CaliforniaKid]

Originally Posted by BlueinTN

...and the HP difference between the two? On a track with a 6 mile WOT straight?



Thats telling sign to me.

Meh I’d bet their top speeds are very similar. The c8 is trapping 121 down the 1/4, what is that 2-3 mph off a properly driven zl1? The faster they go the C8 will start to have an advantage because of the aerodynamics differences in the 2 cars IMO.

[L99BEN]

I like C8 as a car more than the ZL1 as it's cooler, fresher, mid engine, better visibility but it's not fast enough from the factory and doesn't seem to yet be mod friendly.

The ZL1 is a good bit faster in a straight line from a roll after 60mph after the C8's off-the-line initial advantage (like a tesla or trackhawk) stock vs stock. The ZL1 is much easier to mod for big power being FI and currently on a more established platform.

I'd be interested in the C8 Z06 in a few years when they become available slightly used and more affordable.

Originally Posted by CaliforniaKid

Meh I’d bet their top speeds are very similar. The c8 is trapping 121 down the 1/4, what is that 2-3 mph off a properly driven zl1? The faster they go the C8 will start to have an advantage because of the aerodynamics differences in the 2 cars IMO.

Maybe on paper that sounds nice and top speed may be similar but the ZL1 will get to the top speed much faster. A stock ZL1 A10 1/4 mph typically ranges 124mph - 127mph and as high as 130 mph in the most favorable of conditions. Obviously can be lower than 124 in poorer conditions/bad driver...

We can't post street racing vids here but a quick search on you tube shows the ZL1 a10 walking the C8 hard from a roll even after the C8 gets the jump. The vid I'm talking about is posted by a humble C8 owner. There's a couple of manual zl1's gapping the C8 in a couple other vids too. The C8 only avantage is from a dig.

The ZL1 has a clear power to weigh advantage:

ZL1 a10 power to weight: 6.0
C8 power to weight: 7.3

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

I like C8 as a car more than the ZL1 as it's cooler, fresher, mid engine, better visibility but it's not fast enough from the factory and doesn't seem to yet be mod friendly.

The ZL1 is a good bit faster in a straight line from a roll after 60mph after the C8's off-the-line initial advantage (like a tesla or trackhawk) stock vs stock. The ZL1 is much easier to mod for big power being FI and currently on a more established platform.

I'd be interested in the C8 Z06 in a few years when they become available slightly used and more affordable.



Maybe on paper that sounds nice and top speed may be similar but the ZL1 will get to the top speed much faster. A stock ZL1 A10 1/4 mph typically ranges 124mph - 127mph and as high as 130 mph in the most favorable of conditions. Obviously can be lower than 124 in poorer conditions/bad driver...

We can't post street racing vis here but a quick search on you tube shows the ZL1 a10 walking the C8 hard from a roll even after the C8 gets the jump. The vid I'm talking about is posted by a humble C8 owner. There's a couple of manual zl1's gapping the C8 in a couple other vids too. The C8 only avantage is from a dig.

The ZL1 has a clear power to weigh advantage:

ZL1 a10 power to weight: 6.0
C8 power to weight: 7.3

Yea and while not every zl1 is trapping 124-130mph, not every c8 is trapping 121/122 either, I've seen some 117mph runs.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaKid

Meh I’d bet their top speeds are very similar. The c8 is trapping 121 down the 1/4, what is that 2-3 mph off a properly driven zl1? The faster they go the C8 will start to have an advantage because of the aerodynamics differences in the 2 cars IMO.

That sounds like it would be the case but its not, there's a few roll racing videos on youtube and at high speeds the zl1 starts to walk the c8. Be it an m6 or a10. It seems its close with a 6 speed until 4th gear then the zl1 starts walking away.

[CaliforniaKid]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

That sounds like it would be the case but its not, there's a few roll racing videos on youtube and at high speeds the zl1 starts to walk the c8. Be it an m6 or a10. It seems its close with a 6 speed until 4th gear then the zl1 starts walking away.

I just watched a few, surprised TBH looking at 1/4 mile data.

[L99BEN]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaKid

I just watched a few, surprised TBH looking at 1/4 mile data.

While 1/4 mile data can be an indication, 1/2 mile results and 60-130+ will give more real world rolling accelleration potential information by taking the launch and traction capability/advantage out of the equation. Also, comparing cars testing on different days and locations isnt accurate, as they need to be tested under the same conditions.
Rolling tests arent perfect either as aero trans gearing as well as driver reaction and starting in the optimal gear and rpm are factors.

[CaliforniaKid]

Originally Posted by L99BEN

While 1/4 mile data can be an indication, 1/2 mile results and 60-130+ will give more real world rolling accelleration potential information by taking the launch and traction capability/advantage out of the equation. Also, comparing cars testing on different days and locations isnt accurate, as they need to be tested under the same conditions.
Rolling tests arent perfect either as aero trans gearing as well as driver reaction and starting in the optimal gear and rpm are factors.

Trust me I’m very familiar with 60 to 130 density altitude etc. etc. when the C8 first came out drag times tested half mile runs and 60 to 130 using a dragy. If I remember correctly the C8 was only about 5-7 mph slower on average then what stock zl1’s are doing. The C8 also had a passenger for all of the testing.

[RB185AFM]

ZLE will eat up a C8. The base C8 even with Z51 is to soft. The future Z06 will be another story.

[ZRacerLE]

C8 stingray weighs the same as an SS1LE. Corvettes are no longer light weight. I'm fine with it.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

C8 stingray weighs the same as an SS1LE. Corvettes are no longer light weight. I'm fine with it.

That's a good point! For me, the draw of the Corvette was almost entirely centered around it being lighter weight than other V8 domestic options.

Mid engine is cool for sure, and I love the looks, but weight is still a big deal!

Interested to see what Chevy does with the higher performance variants. Would like to see it lose weight instead of solely overcome the weight with active aero and sticky ass tires.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by Thill444

The Savagegeese review of the C8 was kinda telling. Even with track alignment and upgraded brake pads he was slower on the track vs the C7 GS. I think against the ZLE the C8 would lose. Against a ZL1 I think it would be close, but it will depend on the driver and the track.

This

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

That's a good point! For me, the draw of the Corvette was almost entirely centered around it being lighter weight than other V8 domestic options.

Mid engine is cool for sure, and I love the looks, but weight is still a big deal!

Interested to see what Chevy does with the higher performance variants. Would like to see it lose weight instead of solely overcome the weight with active aero and sticky ass tires.

Camaro 1LEs are the new performance bargains. Corvettes are moving upmarket. Hopefully not too far. Would hate to see them lose their identities completely.

I'm now waiting to see how the C8Z performs for the price. I'll either upgrade to that or go against my original plan and mod the ZLE to hang with stock C7 ZR1 laptimes.

After that, wait to see what the 7th gen mustang and camaros offer as daily driveable track cars.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

Camaro 1LEs are the new performance bargains. Corvettes are moving upmarket. Hopefully not too far. Would hate to see them lose their identities completely.

I'm now waiting to see how the C8Z performs for the price. I'll either upgrade to that or go against my original plan and mod the ZLE to hang with stock C7 ZR1 laptimes.

After that, wait to see what the 7th gen mustang and camaros offer as daily driveable track cars.

Yup, 1LE performance really shaken things up. Few purchase options make more sense, if any.

[Bosse'sBoss]

The no availability of a MT on the C8 would keep me away, I would consider as a better option the Camaro ZL1 or the SS1LE
I prefer the driver's involvement experience of a manual transmission sport car.