[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Mustang trunk: 13.5 cubic feet
Camaro trunk: 9.1 cubic feet
48.4% larger. I rounded up to 50%.

The 5.0 is in general slightly underrated at 460 hp. It makes more like 465-475 hp. I have seen some dyno 425 rwhp bone stock, which is like 480 hp.

In 2018 the Mustang had the "Safe and Smart" package (carried over to '19), which has pre-collision alert/assist and pedestrian awareness, audible collision warnings, adaptive cruise, auto high beams, blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, and lane keep assist/warning.

In 2018 the Camaro only had blind spot monitoring and rear cross traffic alert iirc. 2019 added front collision alert, but still lags way behind what is available in the Mustang.

Originally Posted by Chadicus

There is a video where a stock SS put down 431 RWHP. I would take those dynos with a grain of salt honestly. Dynos are great tracking gains after mods but other than that they are just bar stool talking points.

I will agree that my Mustang was more "livable" than my Camaro. But I have a truck and SUV for that. I have friends with Mustangs some even with the GT* (LOL) honestly neither the Mustang or Camaro would suit me as a daily driver.

The one option the Mustang did not have that Camaro did and was a dealbreaker was a sunroof.

A couple things to consider comparing Camaro (455) and Mustang (460) power ratings....

• Camaro and Corvette both use LT1 engines. Camaro rated at 455, Corvette at 460. I am not aware of any hardware differences between the two. We know that Corvette is not OVER-rated....
• Back when I was still doing intel work at GM, I told the Camaro Team that Mustang would be coming in at 460 hp. They basically shrugged, as if to say “so what?”. It was clear they knew something I didn’t. At the time I thought maybe a power bump was coming. In retrospect I think they were just ok with the fact that they were already there.
• I’ve seen some really high dyno numbers off of stock Camaros. Higher than I would expect to see off of a 455 crank hp. I might get a chance to test that theory Saturday. There will be a dyno at the James Martin Performance Car Show this Saturday. If I can get my car on it that would be cool.

One thing that might be preventing me from getting my car on the dyno is that there has typically been long lines for that and I will be playing in the band that’s scheduled for the event, so there’s that.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

A couple things to consider comparing Camaro (455) and Mustang (460) power ratings....

• Camaro and Corvette both use LT1 engines. Camaro rated at 455, Corvette at 460. I am not aware of any hardware differences between the two. We know that Corvette is not OVER-rated....
• Back when I was still doing intel work at GM, I told the Camaro Team that Mustang would be coming in at 460 hp. They basically shrugged, as if to say “so what?”. It was clear they knew something I didn’t. At the time I thought maybe a power bump was coming. In retrospect I think they were just ok with the fact that they were already there.
• I’ve seen some really high dyno numbers off of stock Camaros. Higher than I would expect to see off of a 455 crank hp. I might get a chance to test that theory Saturday. There will be a dyno at the James Martin Performance Car Show this Saturday. If I can get my car on it that would be cool.

One thing that might be preventing me from getting my car on the dyno is that there has typically been long lines for that and I will be playing in the band that’s scheduled for the event, so there’s that.

Did you get your car on the dyno?

The exhaust is likely different between the SS and Corvette, maybe accounting for a slight hp loss in the SS compared to the Vette?

Regarding LT1 (455 rated) vs Gen 3 Coyote (460 rated) horsepower:
In Motor Trend's testing, the GT* was 3 mph and 0.3 seconds faster than the 2019 A10 SS (12.4 @ 115.8 vs 12.1 @ 118.8). Car and Driver the GT* trapped 2 mph higher and was 0.1 seconds faster (12.2 @ 118 vs 12.1 @ 120). Interestingly, the Car and Driver SS was 49 lbs heavier than the Motor Trend SS (maybe it had either more fuel or more options). And the GT* is around 40 lbs or so heavier than a similarly equipped SS, which combined with a consistently higher trap speed tells me the Coyote has to be making more than just 5 hp more than the LT1. Trap speeds are a good indicator of hp in similarly weighted cars. Those mph differences combined with the weight differences seem like a 20+ hp difference between the two. Maybe there's too many other variables at play.

[Scottyz]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Did you get your car on the dyno?

The exhaust is likely different between the SS and Corvette, maybe accounting for a slight hp loss in the SS compared to the Vette?

Regarding LT1 (455 rated) vs Gen 3 Coyote (460 rated) horsepower:
In Motor Trend's testing, the GT* was 3 mph and 0.3 seconds faster than the 2019 A10 SS (12.4 @ 115.8 vs 12.1 @ 118.8). Car and Driver the GT* trapped 2 mph higher and was 0.1 seconds faster (12.2 @ 118 vs 12.1 @ 120). Interestingly, the Car and Driver SS was 49 lbs heavier than the Motor Trend SS (maybe it had either more fuel or more options). And the GT* is around 40 lbs or so heavier than a similarly equipped SS, which combined with a consistently higher trap speed tells me the Coyote has to be making more than just 5 hp more than the LT1. Trap speeds are a good indicator of hp in similarly weighted cars. Those mph differences combined with the weight differences seem like a 20+ hp difference between the two. Maybe there's too many other variables at play.

No you are right. Mph is really the indicator of power. Dynos can be tampered with. I have seen this first hand.
If the Stang is 2-3 mph faster in the quarter consistently then it’s likely making a bit more power.
I like those Coyote engines. I don’t like the physical size of them though. Far better than the mod motors though.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by Scottyz

No you are right. Mph is really the indicator of power. Dynos can be tampered with. I have seen this first hand.
If the Stang is 2-3 mph faster in the quarter consistently then it’s likely making a bit more power.
I like those Coyote engines. I don’t like the physical size of them though. Far better than the mod motors though.

My guess drag mode has the most to do with high trap speed. There not getting those speeds in regular mode or the m6 as they all have the same engine.

[zx9rmal]

Gearing/gear ratios will also play a part.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The visibility thing is not that big an issue as plenty of us DD these cars and absolutely love them. Others can't get past it. It would take more than one test drive to know if you're ok with it or not. So just remember that.

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That is probably the biggest issue with the visibility. Just about ever ysingle review mentions it, so people go into a test drive with the preconceived notion that the visibility is bad. Gets amplified on a ten minute test drive.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Did you get your car on the dyno?

The exhaust is likely different between the SS and Corvette, maybe accounting for a slight hp loss in the SS compared to the Vette?

Regarding LT1 (455 rated) vs Gen 3 Coyote (460 rated) horsepower:
In Motor Trend's testing, the GT* was 3 mph and 0.3 seconds faster than the 2019 A10 SS (12.4 @ 115.8 vs 12.1 @ 118.8). Car and Driver the GT* trapped 2 mph higher and was 0.1 seconds faster (12.2 @ 118 vs 12.1 @ 120). Interestingly, the Car and Driver SS was 49 lbs heavier than the Motor Trend SS (maybe it had either more fuel or more options). And the GT* is around 40 lbs or so heavier than a similarly equipped SS, which combined with a consistently higher trap speed tells me the Coyote has to be making more than just 5 hp more than the LT1. Trap speeds are a good indicator of hp in similarly weighted cars. Those mph differences combined with the weight differences seem like a 20+ hp difference between the two. Maybe there's too many other variables at play.

I believe dyno comparisons of the two have been made before and show the Camaro as at least equal (I saw one that had the Camaro putting down more, though I wouldn't be surprised if there's comparisons showing the opposite) to the Corvette in what they put down to the wheels. The Corvette might have a more free flowing exhaust past the headers but the Camaro lt1 has the supposedly slightly better tri y exhaust manifold. The drivetrains also differ with the Vette being a real transaxle and may play a factor as well. I'm not dogging the Corvette as it is the faster car regardless.

As far as the perceived 20 hp difference you mention between the lt1 and gen 3 coyote, that's a hard sell considering the manuals have the same engine and with those transmissions the Camaro traps the same or higher than the mustang. It was also mentioned that the non pp1 GT isn't trapping quite that high, though idk the validity of that it's worth noting if true. So there's more variables than just hp. I do believe both engines to be a little underrated and the mustangs possible being slightly more underrated in hp but I doubt it's a 20 hp discrepancy.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Scottyz

No you are right. Mph is really the indicator of power. Dynos can be tampered with. I have seen this first hand.
If the Stang is 2-3 mph faster in the quarter consistently then it’s likely making a bit more power.
I like those Coyote engines. I don’t like the physical size of them though. Far better than the mod motors though.

Agreed, I like coyotes almost as much as Chevy small blocks but when you put both cars side by side with the hoods popped up those 5.0's look huge compared to the ls/lt's.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Did you get your car on the dyno?

The exhaust is likely different between the SS and Corvette, maybe accounting for a slight hp loss in the SS compared to the Vette?

Regarding LT1 (455 rated) vs Gen 3 Coyote (460 rated) horsepower:
In Motor Trend's testing, the GT* was 3 mph and 0.3 seconds faster than the 2019 A10 SS (12.4 @ 115.8 vs 12.1 @ 118.8). Car and Driver the GT* trapped 2 mph higher and was 0.1 seconds faster (12.2 @ 118 vs 12.1 @ 120). Interestingly, the Car and Driver SS was 49 lbs heavier than the Motor Trend SS (maybe it had either more fuel or more options). And the GT* is around 40 lbs or so heavier than a similarly equipped SS, which combined with a consistently higher trap speed tells me the Coyote has to be making more than just 5 hp more than the LT1. Trap speeds are a good indicator of hp in similarly weighted cars. Those mph differences combined with the weight differences seem like a 20+ hp difference between the two. Maybe there's too many other variables at play.

No. Line never died down and I was spending a lot of the time under the tent playing in the band. I'll have to see who put an un-modded 6th gen through the dyno and see what they got.

[germanicus]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

No. Line never died down and I was spending a lot of the time under the tent playing in the band. I'll have to see who put an un-modded 6th gen through the dyno and see what they got.

Alembic and a Mark bass amp?

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by germanicus

Alembic and a Mark bass amp?

Yessir. Good eye. Here’s a better pic from several years ago. Different band. Opening for a Monster Truck Jam at Ford Field in Detroit.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Yessir. Good eye. Here’s a better pic from several years ago. Different band. Opening for a Monster Truck Jam at Ford Field in Detroit.

Nice! I spent 10 years (2005-2015) as the lead guitarist for a cover band in Portland, OR. Lots of good times were had.